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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM

Title: Martin's death
Post by: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Galedeep on July 30, 2011, 06:32:06 AM
I tend to believe that Martin died of old age. But did Brian say so? I don't think he ever did. I think it was meant to be a mystery.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Gonff on July 30, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
No, it says that Martin hung up his sword and became a peaceful creature, but it never says how he died. I tend to think that after the Legend of Luke he went back to Redwall and lived there peacefully until his death.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Lutra on July 30, 2011, 12:55:53 PM
Those who die of old age tend to go without any explanation.  If you were killed by a horde, or vermin, it tends to get mentioned, so I suspect Martin was one that died of old age.  (It also wouldn't seem right for Martin to be killed by vermin when he's so good at defeating them.)
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Osu on July 30, 2011, 02:14:34 PM
I do believe this has been discussed at length elsewhere, give me just a tick and I'll track down the topic for y'all.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Captain Tammo on July 30, 2011, 08:26:57 PM
He must've died peacefully because it never says anything about another invasion on redwall after he hung up his sword. So he must've died of age and they built a tomb for him
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Dotti on July 31, 2011, 02:41:59 AM
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?

Did he died outside of Redwall???  I don't remember which book it said that in.... :-\
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Osu on July 31, 2011, 05:43:07 AM
Found it! CLICK HERE (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=131.0).
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on July 31, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
I think he died of old age.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Dannflor on September 01, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
youre right i guess
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Folgrimeo on September 01, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
Martin's already been through a lot, so a normal death with friends around him would be the best way to go. Maybe at the Abbey, maybe while out adventuring, who knows.

However, it disturbed me that he never really talked about his past to other creatures. When Trimp casually brought up Martin's father, he just went into profound depression mode without Trimp having any clue that would set him off. I'd think at some point Gonff would have brought up whether Martin had a girlfriend. And if not, if he had to keep that bottled up for the rest of his life... well, what does he think about future generations yakking about it like it's the weather? Redwall was eventually told about it, and then presumably it got passed down in future generations. Ancient history, everyone knows it by now. You'd think Martin's ghost would have told some future champion "I deliberately said I don't want anyone else knowing what happened to me. But your ancestors just HAD to spoil it, didn't they? Great going, now I can't rest peacefully. I mean, not that I can now when everyone keeps asking me for advice. Can't a spirit get some sleep!?"
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Coobreedan on October 19, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
If he was killed Methusalah would of had some record of it. He died in peace, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Plugg Firetail on October 20, 2011, 09:44:36 PM
Also in the book Redwall they found Martin's tomb. If Martin died in battle I think the enemies would have burned him or something. Being the head of Redwall's army and whatnot.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Taggerung The Otter on November 09, 2011, 02:09:04 PM
he had his own special grave so...
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Gears on November 15, 2011, 04:26:37 PM
Martin Did die of old age, it has some very vague references to it.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Taggerung The Otter on November 15, 2011, 04:55:54 PM
ah donae ???
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Coobreedan on November 15, 2011, 05:32:24 PM
If he was killed a big war would of gone on to avenge him, and a book would of been wrote about that.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: mattimouse20 on January 25, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: Lutra on July 30, 2011, 12:55:53 PM
Those who die of old age tend to go without any explanation.  If you were killed by a horde, or vermin, it tends to get mentioned, so I suspect Martin was one that died of old age.  (It also wouldn't seem right for Martin to be killed by vermin when he's so good at defeating them.)
are you saying that martin was more powerful than boar the fighter?!
boar was also well on in years and an experienced fighter as well, but he too was killed in battle.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Bragoon on January 25, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
By an army of vermin, Boar was.  But it's pretty much a given that very few vermin could beat Martin in single combat, and he could beat up a Kotir patrol without even drawing his sword (admittedly they did capture him but there were seven or eight in the patrol), so I would think that it would take quite a few to beat him,
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 26, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
I'd say Martin just died of old age, or maybe he got sick.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on March 29, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: Folgrimeo on September 01, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
at some point Gonff would have brought up whether Martin had a girlfriend.
After Rose, I doubt it.  It's also mentioned that Martin never had any children, so the whole idea of Martin having another girlfriend seems kind of unlikely.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 29, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on March 31, 2012, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: danflorreguba on March 29, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
I'm gonna get yelled at a lot for saying this, but...
I didn't really care about Rose.  Or her death.
I was sad when Felldoh died.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Bragoon on March 31, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
Another Felldoh admirer!  At last!
I think it was terrible when Rose died, but I really felt it more when Felldoh died.  He's definitely one of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 01, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: Bragoon on March 31, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
Another Felldoh admirer!  At last!
I think it was terrible when Rose died, but I really felt it more when Felldoh died.  He's definitely one of my favorite characters.
Yeah, same.  I think Felldoh should have lived, but not without some consequence from fighting so many soldiers.  Like maybe he always would have a limp or something.
It seems we're far outnumbered by the Rose admirers.  :-\
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Marlfox Vanish on April 02, 2012, 01:30:56 AM
Yes i do believe that Martin the Warrior died of old age, had he died in a battle there would be another book, a mention of his arch enemy, and probably wouldn't have his own tomb.   
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Bragoon on April 02, 2012, 01:52:03 AM
That's a good point, his tomb didn't indicate any momentous, tragic death. 
But on the other hand, Mr. Jacques didn't say a word about his tomb in any of the other books, so maybe that was one of the things that he wanted to change from the original. 
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Marlfox Vanish on April 02, 2012, 03:58:43 AM
Never noticed that. he doesnt ever mention anything about the tome, or the shield for that matter. 
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on April 02, 2012, 05:30:46 AM
Hey! I like Felldoh too! He is one of my favorite squirrels!
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 30, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
We don't know if he died in or outside of Redwall. The books don't really make it clear.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Free Thought on April 01, 2013, 02:18:04 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on March 30, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
We don't know if he died in or outside of Redwall. The books don't really make it clear.

Personally, I don't think Jacques was done with Martin the Warrior, hence why we had a lead to a secret quest from the journals to Doomwyte and no concrete "he died because of this" statement.  I mean really, you would think from all the recordings in Redwall they would have written down Martin's cause of death somewhere... it's just interesting. 

I think he did die from natural causes within Redwall; however, after he had one last ever wonderful, ever silenced adventure.  ;)

But then again, Jacques doesn't talk about Matthias' death, or even Mattimeo's for that matter... perhaps he just chooses not to discuss this in his works.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Shadowed One on April 08, 2013, 07:00:01 PM
I know it is not officially a Redwall book, but the fanfic "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought says he died of a broken heart. I know it is a fanfic, but it does seem possible.

Quote from: WildDoogyPlumm on March 31, 2012, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: danflorreguba on March 29, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
I'm gonna get yelled at a lot for saying this, but...
I didn't really care about Rose.  Or her death.
I was sad when Felldoh died.

Rose wasn't'tmy favorite character, but it was rather sad when she died.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Vilu Daskar on May 14, 2013, 08:25:24 PM
old age probably.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 17, 2013, 09:50:46 PM
This is something that somebody should wright a Fanfict about!
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 17, 2013, 11:56:22 PM
There probably is one, somewhere.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 22, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
Can you post a Link to it? I tried to search for it in the search engine, but it brought up no results.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on May 22, 2013, 09:26:50 PM
I sent it to you in a pm
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 22, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on May 22, 2013, 09:26:50 PM
I sent it to you in a pm
Thanks, Leatho!
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 22, 2013, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
I've got to read it.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Tam and Martin on May 23, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
It's a really neat story
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 24, 2013, 04:30:00 AM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 23, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
It's a really neat story
Yes, its great!
WARNING: if you deside to read it, be warned! Its has some pretty mature content in it, just to say.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Shadowed One on May 24, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 24, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 24, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
I know, just giving you guys a head start on it.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on May 24, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: Free Thought on April 01, 2013, 02:18:04 AMPersonally, I don't think Jacques was done with Martin the Warrior, hence why we had a lead to a secret quest from the journals to Doomwyte and no concrete "he died because of this" statement.  I mean really, you would think from all the recordings in Redwall they would have written down Martin's cause of death somewhere... it's just interesting. 

I think he did die from natural causes within Redwall; however, after he had one last ever wonderful, ever silenced adventure.  ;)

But then again, Jacques doesn't talk about Matthias' death, or even Mattimeo's for that matter... perhaps he just chooses not to discuss this in his works.


Ah think Brian Jacques left zome zingz az myzteriez zae ve could enjoy vonderin' aboot zem.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 25, 2013, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 24, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
Okay, I'll take notice of that.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Maudie on May 25, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
I probably won't read it. If it has bad ratings.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 25, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
I probably won't read it. If it has bad ratings.
What do you mean by Bad Ratings? You mean, based on how much people liked it? If that's the case, don't worry! I've seen the reviews for the book, and they were really positive!
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Maudie on May 31, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
I mean mature ratings, not the kind of thing I'd read.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Shadowed One on June 22, 2013, 06:53:16 PM
I normally wouldn't either, but it has warnings so I can skip the mature parts. Other then that, it was a great tale! But I understand what you mean, Mask.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: SilentSam on November 08, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
Definitely old age.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: The Skarzs on November 08, 2014, 04:38:21 PM
Old age has always been the answer in my mind. It also says in Redwall that he died as a mouse of peace. Yes, that book had a lot of things in it that might have been desired to be changed, but it's an actual answer.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: LT Sandpaw on November 17, 2014, 12:02:19 AM

I believe he died of old age because in the book Mariel of Redwall that he had passed away before any of the characters could meet him.
And apparently forgot about the sword on the roof and writing behind the tapestry as well. 
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Hickory on December 11, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
They said martin put up his sword at one point...
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Søren on December 12, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on November 17, 2014, 12:02:19 AM

I believe he died of old age because in the book Mariel of Redwall that he had passed away before any of the characters could meet him.
And apparently forgot about the sword on the roof and writing behind the tapestry as well. 
He did probably die of old age, because he needed to do all those things. We know he still had his sword in Legend of Luke, so we know he probably did it when he was a little older.
Title: Re: Martin's death
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on December 28, 2014, 02:35:56 PM
I think Martin the Warrior must have died of disease, old age, or poisoning. I don't think Martin would have died in battle because for one thing, he did not care if he died. After all, if he died, he would get to meet Rose in The Dark Forest. During Mossflower, he had the whole of Mossflower to live for, but after Tsarmina died and his adevnturing days were long past, he had pretty much nothing to do but wait to pass on to The Dark Forest so he can finally be with Rose. Just my two cents.

-Lord_Ashenwyte.