Okay, in Marlfox, that Guosim shrew saw Martin's spirit, but nobeast else did. Well, anyway, the point being that, was Martin controlling his spirit? That may sound really weird, but what I mean is, is his conscious self in Dark Forest but some spirit-part of him somehow wanders around, but Martin himself, his actual conscious self, has nothing to do with it? (Because how would he be able to get out of the afterlife?) Or maybe that shrew was having a vision? But he was wide-awake. I guess when Martin appears to a Redwaller in a dream it's really him, but what about that one time in Marlfox? And there may have been another similar incident, but I can't remember exactly.
If that even made any sense...
Hmm... This is rather hard to explain. I think he Is controlling his spirit because, if he wasn't, it could say anything the spirit wanted to. All of Martin is in Dark Forest but maybe he can send visions to the people he chooses. This is a very hard subject to explain but I hope I explained some of it right.
I'm...not sure. I guess it was Martin, and I think he is able to appear in dreams and visions consciously. That's my opinion anyway.
In some of the Redwall books, its said that Martin's spirit watches over Redwall Abbey, its inhabitance and all good creatures in Mossflower. He often sends dreams or visions to the good creatures to give them a hint as to were to go or what to find next. And, in the case of the Gousim shrew, Martin had probably sent a vision for whatever reason to help the good side. But, before I give a closing statement on the matter, refresh my memory, Jukka: did there seem to be any reason for helping the good side when Martin (supposidly) sent that vision to that Gousim shrew?
Yes, I think he was warning them of a Marlfox attack.
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Yes, I think he was warning them of a Marlfox attack.
How did Martin tell them of a Marlfox attack through that vision?
Um, I think he stopped by a window, then they looked out and saw the bad guys attacking. The shrew was named Bargle, and here's an excerpt from the Redwall Wiki's page about him: "Bargle saw the spirit of Martin the Warrior, who warned Redwallers about the attack of Marlfoxes and their allies." So, yeah. And Martin didn't just stand there, Bargle saw him go up the stairs and down a hall, stopping by a window. But when he and some curious Redwallers (who couldn't see the apparition) got there, Martin was gone.
I don't remember that part.
Martins spirit is in Redwall itself, and it usually shows itself to anybeast that needs help or can help the Abbey.
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Um, I think he stopped by a window, then they looked out and saw the bad guys attacking. The shrew was named Bargle, and here's an excerpt from the Redwall Wiki's page about him: "Bargle saw the spirit of Martin the Warrior, who warned Redwallers about the attack of Marlfoxes and their allies." So, yeah. And Martin didn't just stand there, Bargle saw him go up the stairs and down a hall, stopping by a window. But when he and some curious Redwallers (who couldn't see the apparition) got there, Martin was gone.
Aaah, I remember that. What I find interesting though, is that Martin's spirit doesn't just appear to help redwall.
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Um, I think he stopped by a window, then they looked out and saw the bad guys attacking. The shrew was named Bargle, and here's an excerpt from the Redwall Wiki's page about him: "Bargle saw the spirit of Martin the Warrior, who warned Redwallers about the attack of Marlfoxes and their allies." So, yeah. And Martin didn't just stand there, Bargle saw him go up the stairs and down a hall, stopping by a window. But when he and some curious Redwallers (who couldn't see the apparition) got there, Martin was gone.
Aaah, I remember that. What I find interesting though, is that Martin's spirit doesn't just appear to help redwall.
It doesn't? Oh wait, you mean like when he appears to some questers or something like that?
Seems he's sort of the "good" guiding force. After all, he was the hero of Redwall back when it was being built, and his spirit maybe lingered afterwards.
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Um, I think he stopped by a window, then they looked out and saw the bad guys attacking. The shrew was named Bargle, and here's an excerpt from the Redwall Wiki's page about him: "Bargle saw the spirit of Martin the Warrior, who warned Redwallers about the attack of Marlfoxes and their allies." So, yeah. And Martin didn't just stand there, Bargle saw him go up the stairs and down a hall, stopping by a window. But when he and some curious Redwallers (who couldn't see the apparition) got there, Martin was gone.
Aaah, I remember that. What I find interesting though, is that Martin's spirit doesn't just appear to help redwall.
It doesn't? Oh wait, you mean like when he appears to some questers or something like that?
I don't remember any scene were Martin appeared and didn't really help the creatures that he appeared to. What book was that in?
They're referencing Marlfox, but I don't have it right now...
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They're referencing Marlfox, but I don't have it right now...
When did that happen in Marlfox?
It didn't. I think the Shade meant that Martin doesn't just appear to Redwallers or to save Redwall, he also appears to other guys.
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It didn't. I think the Shade meant that Martin doesn't just appear to Redwallers or to save Redwall, he also appears to other guys.
Yes, but there is always a reason for Martin to appear to anybody. He dosn't just appear for the sake of appearing. There always has to be a reason.
Why did he get Saro and Bragoon to go to Loamhedge Abbey for no good reason then? Is it 'cause he's not always right on everything?
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It doesn't? Oh wait, you mean like when he appears to some questers or something like that?
I don't remember any scene were Martin appeared and didn't really help the creatures that he appeared to. What book was that in?
Like when Martin helped Tiria in High Rulain. That didn't do anything to help Redwall
Ah zink tiz more tae 'elp ze creaturez at Redwall an' lezz tae 'elp Redwall itzelf. For example, 'e vid probably zuggezt zummat alon' ze linez o' evacuation for an emergency like an earthquake.
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It doesn't? Oh wait, you mean like when he appears to some questers or something like that?
I don't remember any scene were Martin appeared and didn't really help the creatures that he appeared to. What book was that in?
Like when Martin helped Tiria in High Rulain. That didn't do anything to help Redwall
Just because he is said to be the "guard" of Redwall Abbey, that dosn't mean that he can't help any other good creatures in conflict with evil.
Ooh, this topic fascinates me. *puts up a tent and camps out in thread*
For my part, I think Martin and his spirit are the same thing, i.e., I don't think of Martin being in dark forest and his spirit residing at the abbey. I think he did pass on to dark forest, but he can wander freely to and from there and the waking world. Er, for lack of better term. Remember, Martin's spirit isn't the only ghost to send visions or dreams to living creatures.
I fondly imagine he "lives" at the abbey but, being dead, has the ability to see anything that might affect it as well, such as an approaching horde over a season's march away. He could then go about telling the future and sending appropriate visions to the appropriate animals. He probably has friends in dark forest, too, and might be obligated to help out their descendants/animals they watch over as well. The spirit of Martin seems to be much more prevalent than any other, so I also think it's plausible he's a much more powerful spirit than most and therefore hands out the lion's share of advice.
As for others being able to see him, I like to think there is, on occasion, a certain amount of natural sixth sense involved in the living creature who sees Martin's spirit. Not all the time, of course, but you know how some people claim to be able to see or sense ghosts? A bit like that.
I'm rambling, so I'll stop now. Interesting topic to ponder, there's a lot somebody could do with it as far as fanfiction goes... *hint hint nudges random members around the thread wink wink*
Osu
What caught my eye in your post was when you said that Martin's spirit was "much more prevailent". Couldn't than mean that there was some superntural destiny for Martin right from the start? And what if, just what if, that tbe whole thing about being spiritually prevailent was a family thing?
I once read a Fan Fiction about Redwall were it says Luke (yes, Martin's father) watches over the seas in the same way that Martin watches over Redwall. And it was also hinted that Martin's ancestors were still guiding other creatures and places. So, just think for a secand: what if there was some great supernatural force above Martin and his relatives that sort of uses them to help all good creatures that are living? What if there is possably a supernatural king, a god-sort, maybe, that is in control of the world of Redwall? The "god" could have put Martin and his decendents into place so as they can help all creatures that stand for good. It would sound a little obscure if said that Martin becoming the guardian of Redwall, Luke becoming guardian of the seas, ect. happened all by acsident? I think that there is something a little bit more than meats the eye; what if there is some supernatural being that controls the world of Redwall?
Sorry if that sounded a bit supernatural, but its just an intresting idea that I had...thoughts?
I think it's a great idea that warrants some fabulous fanfiction. Writing a God-type character into the Redwall universe could be really fun, especially with Armageddon and prophesies and so on.
I like the thought of Luke watching over the seas where Martin keeps an eye on the land. I'm actually very fond of a supernatural type Redwall, I've often thought it would be fun to have "ghost hunters" or something to that effect wandering the forest and going to Redwall to meet Martin, or Salamandastron to have a chat with all the dead badger lords -- and maybe deal with some dead vermin that have been wreaking paranormal havoc in Mossflower and beyond. :D It sounds so exciting.
Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
Same here! I'd do it myself if only I could write, haha. ;D
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Same here! I'd do it myself if only I could write, haha. ;D
I'm wrighting a Fan Fiction right now...maybe after I finish that one, I'll wright one thats a little "ghostish"...
Now that would be neat!
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Now that would be neat!
Yes...but it will be hard trying to come up with some ghostly creature for the world of Redwall...
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Now that would be neat!
Yes...but it will be hard trying to come up with some ghostly creature for the world of Redwall...
That would be a hard thing to do since its a world of animals.
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Now that would be neat!
Yes...but it will be hard trying to come up with some ghostly creature for the world of Redwall...
That would be a hard thing to do since its a world of animals.
True...
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
Well, I'm not neccisairly a ghost hunter; more like a ghost resercher. Though I usually investige creatures like Slender Man and Bigfoot, I do do some reserch on ghosts.
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
Well, I'm not neccisairly a ghost hunter; more like a ghost resercher. Though I usually investige creatures like Slender Man and Bigfoot, I do do some reserch on ghosts.
This question doesn't belong In this topic but, do you believe in Ghosts?
I don't.
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
Well, I'm not neccisairly a ghost hunter; more like a ghost resercher. Though I usually investige creatures like Slender Man and Bigfoot, I do do some reserch on ghosts.
This question doesn't belong In this topic but, do you believe in Ghosts?
As a strait-forward belief: No, I do not. But I still think its an interesting topic to investigate.
Now, lets get back on topic...
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
Well, I'm not neccisairly a ghost hunter; more like a ghost resercher. Though I usually investige creatures like Slender Man and Bigfoot, I do do some reserch on ghosts.
This question doesn't belong In this topic but, do you believe in Ghosts?
As a strait-forward belief: No, I do not. But I still think its an interesting topic to investigate.
Now, lets get back on topic...
'Kay. I just wanted to ask.
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Osu
I think that it would be pretty intresting to read a more ghost-hunters like Redwall story. Being a resercher into ghostly creatures like Slender Man, I'd think it would be intresting to see a Redwall story that followed along those lines. Like, some Slender Man like creature is haunting the woods of Mossflower, and the creatures of Redwall try to put a stop to it. I would love to read a story like that...
You're 12 years old and a ghost hunter? ;D
Well, I'm not neccisairly a ghost hunter; more like a ghost resercher. Though I usually investige creatures like Slender Man and Bigfoot, I do do some reserch on ghosts.
This question doesn't belong In this topic but, do you believe in Ghosts?
As a strait-forward belief: No, I do not. But I still think its an interesting topic to investigate.
Now, lets get back on topic...
'Kay. I just wanted to ask.
Alright. ;D
I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
Technically zere are zeveral formz o' ghoztz. Zome feel zat zey 'ave unfinizhed buiznezz, zome are poltergeizt (like Peeves from 'arry Potter), zome repeat zome event over an' over an' over, an' etc...Martin'z ghozt could juzt be anozer form o' ghozt.
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Technically zere are zeveral formz o' ghoztz. Zome feel zat zey 'ave unfinizhed buiznezz, zome are poltergeizt (like Peeves from 'arry Potter), zome repeat zome event over an' over an' over, an' etc...Martin'z ghozt could juzt be anozer form o' ghozt.
Just a quick question, HIAG... do you believe in ghosts?
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
If it was about ghosts in Redwall, it would go in General Discussions.
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
If it was about ghosts in Redwall, it would go in General Discussions.
Oh, about that. Alright I will!
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
If it was about ghosts in Redwall, it would go in General Discussions.
Oh, about that. Alright I will!
I'll be sure to check it out when its posted!
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
If it was about ghosts in Redwall, it would go in General Discussions.
Oh, about that. Alright I will!
I'll be sure to check it out when its posted!
Good!
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I believe that ghosts COULD exist, but it's quite unlikely. Even if they did, what's the big deal? They couldn't harm anyone; they would just be spirits. I don't get why everyone thinks of ghosts as "scary". Anyway, I think that might be what Martin the Warrior's spirit is supposed to be. It depends if Brian Jacques believed in ghosts or not. If he didn't believe in ghosts, then I don't know what he's supposed to be
Are you saying Ghosts could exist in the Redwall world or our world?
Hehe, I can sense a juicy discussion coming up! Mind if I join? *Pitches tent on topic* ;D
No, I was just wondering if she was talking about ghosts existing in our world or in the Redwall World.
Still, sounds like an intresting subject! You should start a topic about it.
Why Not! It would go in Cavern hole right?
If it was about ghosts in Redwall, it would go in General Discussions.
Oh, about that. Alright I will!
I'll be sure to check it out when its posted!
Good!
Great! ;D Now, back on topic...
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Much like wandering spirits IRL (depending on your religious beliefs or other beliefs) Martin is allowed to be in the living plane of existence or he's stuck in that plane until his work is done. Much like stories of ghosts where they are trapped until they complete unfinished business, Martin is either there on his own free will, or is trapped until his work is done with the Abbey. That's what I think anyways, just my opinion. :P
Unless the Abbey is completely destroyed, or eternal peace within Mossflower happens, then I believe that Martin's work is not finished. Thus he cannot pass on beyond the Dark Forest into whatever realm all the Heroes of Mossflower end up when they die.
If you remember in Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash was bitten by the snake and "died". But when he was about to enter the Dark Forest, the badger "guard" told him that his work wasn't done, and he sent him back. Maybe that badger lets Martin leave so he can help the Redwallers.
Quote from: PluggFiretail on January 12, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
If you remember in Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash was bitten by the snake and "died". But when he was about to enter the Dark Forest, the badger "guard" told him that his work wasn't done, and he sent him back. Maybe that badger lets Martin leave so he can help the Redwallers.
I never thought about it that way! Wow, that is a great thought!
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Quote from: PluggFiretail on January 12, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
If you remember in Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash was bitten by the snake and "died". But when he was about to enter the Dark Forest, the badger "guard" told him that his work wasn't done, and he sent him back. Maybe that badger lets Martin leave so he can help the Redwallers.
I never thought about it that way! Wow, that is a great thought!
Thank you! :D
Quote from: PluggFiretail on January 12, 2014, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on January 12, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: PluggFiretail on January 12, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
If you remember in Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash was bitten by the snake and "died". But when he was about to enter the Dark Forest, the badger "guard" told him that his work wasn't done, and he sent him back. Maybe that badger lets Martin leave so he can help the Redwallers.
I never thought about it that way! Wow, that is a great thought!
Thank you! :D
Your Welcome! That is one of the best explanations I think!
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Quote from: PluggFiretail on January 12, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
If you remember in Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash was bitten by the snake and "died". But when he was about to enter the Dark Forest, the badger "guard" told him that his work wasn't done, and he sent him back. Maybe that badger lets Martin leave so he can help the Redwallers.
I never thought about it that way! Wow, that is a great thought!
Thank you! :D
Your Welcome! That is one of the best explanations I think!
That is a very interesting theory. Going back to what Oliver said, I think its possible that Martin knew that the creatures would need his help, and is staying on the living plane of existence through the kindness he had when he was alive, giving up rest in the Dark Forest to help those in need.
Here is my Goofy spin on it. I think in the Dark forest there is a place akin to Valhala where the warriors go after they die. Like in The Long Patrol Russano the baby sees Warriors of the past not only standing before him but also welcoming the newly slain Warriors. In countless books the badgers see the warriors of past (Not just Badger Lords cause they usually see Martin there too) in dreams.