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Title: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 23, 2013, 12:02:37 AM
I've just had an intresting thought: what if Badrang (the main villun from Martin the Warrior,for those who dont know) had lived? I've read alot of Fan Fictions about what would happen if Rose had lived, but what about Badrang? I mean, if somehow he survived being stabed by Martin. I read that if you are stabed, or even shot, on some places of the left side of the body, you can survive it. I just think it would be intresting to see what would happen if Badrang had lived.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on April 23, 2013, 12:38:53 AM
I think he'd really be out for revenge.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: 321tumbler on April 23, 2013, 05:49:19 PM
I bet he would have tracked Martin to Mossflower and joined Tsarmina. Planning to kill her so he could rule.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 23, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: 321tumbler on April 23, 2013, 05:49:19 PM
I bet he would have tracked Martin to Mossflower and joined Tsarmina. Planning to kill her so he could rule.
But what if Rose survived as well? Now that would put things in a different light!
Smebody should right a Fanfic about this :-\
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on April 23, 2013, 08:28:27 PM
He didn't, because, as you say that you can survive at some places, but you require a healer to survive, and he lacked it.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 23, 2013, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on April 23, 2013, 08:28:27 PM
He didn't, because, as you say that you can survive at some places, but you require a healer to survive, and he lacked it.
There might have been some vermin (or non-vermin, if Badrang forced them to) wandering about, couldn't there?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on April 24, 2013, 12:37:31 AM
Could be. Maybe Badrang knew how to take care of himself for awhile?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Free Thought on April 24, 2013, 01:15:12 PM
Well, if Badrang had lived I think he would have tracked the fighters to Noonvale.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Shadowed One on April 24, 2013, 02:55:15 PM
Maybe, Clogg healed him!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Rusvul on April 24, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Err, why would Clogg do that? Badrang made him a slave.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on April 24, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Yall realize that Martin would just kill him for good right? Intriguing though it is.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Maudie on April 24, 2013, 06:16:01 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on April 24, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Yall realize that Martin would just kill him for good right? Intriguing though it is.

Yup, the good guys always win.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on April 24, 2013, 09:11:21 PM
Well they always win at the end. Alot of times the baddies win the minor battles.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 24, 2013, 10:18:39 PM
Somebody should right a Fanfict about this!
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 24, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Err, why would Clogg do that? Badrang made him a slave.
Also, remember, Clogg went mad, so how would he be any help at all to Badrang?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on April 24, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
Ungatt's post count is 666.  :o :o :o :o >:D

Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Romsca on April 25, 2013, 02:30:18 AM
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Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 25, 2013, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on April 24, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
Ungatt's post count is 666.  :o :o :o :o >:D


He, he, I'll change that now, just to make sure I don't put anybody in har-er, the demon's way :P!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Rusvul on April 26, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
Wait... Is there something significant about the number 666? Or is it just a funny post count because it's a triple number?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on April 26, 2013, 04:55:48 PM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 26, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
Wait... Is there something significant about the number 666? Or is it just a funny post count because it's a triple number?

It's a "demonic" number. >:D
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on April 26, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on April 26, 2013, 04:55:48 PM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 26, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
Wait... Is there something significant about the number 666? Or is it just a funny post count because it's a triple number?

It's a "demonic" number. >:D
Very! >:D
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Shadowed One on April 27, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on April 24, 2013, 10:18:39 PM
Somebody should right a Fanfict about this!
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 24, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Err, why would Clogg do that? Badrang made him a slave.
Also, remember, Clogg went mad, so how would he be any help at all to Badrang?
I was just being silly, I know Clogg wouldn't do that.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 29, 2013, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on April 27, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on April 24, 2013, 10:18:39 PM
Somebody should right a Fanfict about this!
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 24, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Err, why would Clogg do that? Badrang made him a slave.
Also, remember, Clogg went mad, so how would he be any help at all to Badrang?
I was just being silly, I know Clogg wouldn't do that.
What do you think Badrang would do to Clogg? Killing him would probubly be his most likely act :-\
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on April 30, 2013, 01:03:10 AM
Definately Killing him!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on April 30, 2013, 03:39:45 AM
Hmm I think he would get a new crew.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Shadowed One on April 30, 2013, 01:46:59 PM
He would probably not be very happy with Martin, and go after him.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 30, 2013, 11:07:32 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on April 30, 2013, 01:46:59 PM
He would probably not be very happy with Martin, and go after him.
...And put Noonvale in danger, as well! If Rose had lived, that is...
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Free Thought on May 06, 2013, 12:55:53 AM
Regardless if Rose had lived or not, Noonvale would be in danger- seeing as there are other creatures there! 

In all seriousness though, if he had lived he would be gravely injured and in need of attention and seeing as Clogg was the only one left... well, Wulp or Wurlp or someone else was too, but I can't remember the name.  It would probably make for a bit of a fun fanfic for someone to take on.  I mean really... and injured warlord, an insane stoat and a dumb as a stump rat. HAHAHA.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on May 07, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Badrang may not have known about Noonvale. There may have been some battle cries about it or maybe he heard it mentioned, but I don't think the book actually said he knew about it.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 07, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Free Thought on May 06, 2013, 12:55:53 AM
Regardless if Rose had lived or not, Noonvale would be in danger- seeing as there are other creatures there! 

But, as Tam said, Badrang didn't really know about Noonvale, though if Rose had lived, he would go tracking Martin, all the way to Noonvale!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: The Shade on June 23, 2013, 07:39:53 PM
Who said Badrang could track?? Surly Martin would'nt be silly enough to leave an ovious trail.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on June 25, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
IF he would have survived, Clogg would have killed him on the spot.

And IMO Badrang couldn't have lived, because(if I remember correctly) they must have stayed a bit at Fort Marshank, and Badrang, in an injured state, would have asked for help, despite them being good or bad, and Martin would have killed him. But 99.99% chances he died of a sword thrust in the heart.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 25, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Yes, he probablyu died right away.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 26, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
Badrang could 'ave got oot uzin' Rose az an 'oztage an' lettin' 'er gae or killin' 'er vhen zey got safely avay, an' zen ezcaped tae vho kenz vhere vhere 'e gaez an' becomez a pirate or zomezin'.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 26, 2013, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 26, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
Badrang could 'ave got oot uzin' Rose az an 'oztage an' lettin' 'er gae or killin' 'er vhen zey got safely avay, an' zen ezcaped tae vho kenz vhere vhere 'e gaez an' becomez a pirate or zomezin'.
But Rose would have been dead and buried by the time he managed to get around after being wounded by Martin.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 27, 2013, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on June 26, 2013, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 26, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
Badrang could 'ave got oot uzin' Rose az an 'oztage an' lettin' 'er gae or killin' 'er vhen zey got safely avay, an' zen ezcaped tae vho kenz vhere vhere 'e gaez an' becomez a pirate or zomezin'.
But Rose would have been dead and buried by the time he managed to get around after being wounded by Martin.
Nay, ziz iz if 'e got oot before Martin could get tae 'im.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Shadowed One on June 27, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
If he got out, I think he would just run. He wouldn't worry about hostages.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 27, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on June 27, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
If he got out, I think he would just run. He wouldn't worry about hostages.
Especially if he was just wounded.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on June 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
After watching the Third Season, I realized something:

If Badrang really had lived, Clogg would have buried him live or dead, so Badrang's dead.

And those that talked about a Fanfic, here's what it'd look like:

Badrang gasped, the pain was unbearable, but he was alive. As he was about to get up, something heavy fell on him, turning slowly around, he saw Clogg throwing another shovelful of dirt. Badrang tried getting up, but the pain and dirt were too much for him, and he lay down, waiting for Clogg to bury him completely.

What a story! :D
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 29, 2013, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on June 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
After watching the Third Season, I realized something:

If Badrang really had lived, Clogg would have buried him live or dead, so Badrang's dead.

And those that talked about a Fanfic, here's what it'd look like:

Badrang gasped, the pain was unbearable, but he was alive. As he was about to get up, something heavy fell on him, turning slowly around, he saw Clogg throwing another shovelful of dirt. Badrang tried getting up, but the pain and dirt were too much for him, and he lay down, waiting for Clogg to bury him completely.

What a story! :D
But...what if Badrang woke up before Clogg had buried him? It would go like this:
Badrang gasped, the pain was unbeatable, but he was alive.
"Ahhhh!!!! 'Tis the ghost of me ol' messmate Badrang, isn't it? Harr harr!"
Badrang turned to see Tramun Clogg standing over him. Clogg laughed again, the said "I've dug your grave, nice and proper, now all you a'need to be doing is go in it and let me burie you, harr harr!"
Badrang moved fast. He picked up a rock that was lying by him and threw it at Clogg's head. It bounced of Clogg's head, and tumbled to the ground along with Clogg, who was out cold. Badrang staggered up. He knew immediately what he was going to do. He was going to find that mouse, Martin, and get his revenge!
He fell back to the ground, pain starting to come back afresh.
He would go get that mouse....right after he found a healer.

Now, that is what would happen ;D 
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on July 01, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
How could he get up with an open wound in the chest? When you get that sort of wound, if you're not dead, then you're unconscious and feverish.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 01, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
'e vidnae 'ave been around tae be buried by Clogg 'ad 'e ezcaped. Alzae, ah zink it vould be intereztin' tae zee vot 'appenz tae Clogg. Vhere doez 'e gae, an' vot doez 'e dae? Ach, vot a queztion...
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 01, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on July 01, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
How could he get up with an open wound in the chest? When you get that sort of wound, if you're not dead, then you're unconscious and feverish.
What if the wound wasn't as bad as it is made out to be?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on July 01, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Could be.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 01, 2013, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on July 01, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Could be.
Right.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Redwaller on July 02, 2013, 12:20:49 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on July 01, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on July 01, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
How could he get up with an open wound in the chest? When you get that sort of wound, if you're not dead, then you're unconscious and feverish.
What if the wound wasn't as bad as it is made out to be?
Brian said a sword thrust in the chest, which is bad.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on July 02, 2013, 03:59:56 PM
Well, it would probably be pretty bad because he probably hit the heart or Lungs.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 02, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on July 02, 2013, 03:59:56 PM
Well, it would probably be pretty bad because he probably hit the heart or Lungs.
If it hit his hear or lungs, he would be a goner. If he did get a wound that he was able to survive, it would probably be a wound were only some body tissue is.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 02, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
Vot if 'e ezcaped before 'e got ze vound?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 02, 2013, 05:34:38 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 02, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
Vot if 'e ezcaped before 'e got ze vound?
Now, that would be a different story....
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tam and Martin on July 02, 2013, 05:34:57 PM
Yep!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 06, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
I've always though the idea of Badrang surviving quite intriguing!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: The Shade on July 06, 2013, 07:57:24 PM
Yeah, me too.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 09, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
TL;DR, but Martin would kill him sooner or later for what he did, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on July 11, 2013, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 09, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
TL;DR, but Martin would kill him sooner or later for what he did, I'm guessing.
Very true...
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 13, 2013, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on July 11, 2013, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 09, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
TL;DR, but Martin would kill him sooner or later for what he did, I'm guessing.
Very true...

Of courze 'e [Martin] could 'ave chozen tae nae zeek revenge. Zen it could gae on bein' intriguin'!
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on December 08, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
if he did live he would kill clogg then probably go mad
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 09, 2013, 04:36:02 AM
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on December 08, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
if he did live he would ill clogg then probably go mad
What?
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Shadefur nightblade on December 09, 2013, 12:46:20 PM
I think he means that if Badrang lived he would kill Clogg and then go insane. I'm not sure though. I think if he lived he would go on to make another fort, not on the coast this time. And rule from that until some other hero killed him or one of his heirs.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 09, 2013, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: Shadefur nightblade on December 09, 2013, 12:46:20 PM
I think he means that if Badrang lived he would kill Clogg and then go insane. I'm not sure though. I think if he lived he would go on to make another fort, not on the coast this time. And rule from that until some other hero killed him or one of his heirs.
Yea, I don't think there would be any reason for him to go insane.
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Tungro on September 20, 2019, 12:28:17 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on July 06, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
I've always though the idea of Badrang surviving quite intriguing!
*revive
I would be interested to see what the current members think
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: Jarky Thistlebrush on September 20, 2019, 06:03:58 AM
If Badrang lived... Hmm...
Title: Re: What if Badrang lived?
Post by: shisteer of nothing much on December 17, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
Very intriguing indeed!
The first thing he'd do (after he found a healer) would be get some followers. He'd keep gathering vermin until he had a sizable horde, then he'd go back to killing and capturing goodbeasts, until another hero managed to get their paws on a decent sword.
I doubt he'd go after Martin or any of the other beasts from Noonvale. He's an experienced campaigner and would know that such an attempt would be futile, with the trail (if it wasn't concealed) having gone cold long ago.