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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: battle dragon on August 23, 2013, 04:01:24 PM

Title: far off lands
Post by: battle dragon on August 23, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
I was wondering what the lands from which Cluny the scourge originated from? are their more main lands and is there a land like china. ??? 
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: MeadowR on August 23, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
Hello!

There are definitely other lands out there! If the land of Redwall is meant to be within a Britain-like country, then there will be a version of the Americas, Asia and so on, as well. So a China of sorts will be about!
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 23, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
Aye, an' ah cannae vait tae explore it! AV ABOARD!!!
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Post by: rachel25 on August 24, 2013, 07:55:06 PM
*hops aboard*  :)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Shadowed One on August 25, 2013, 12:07:51 PM
I never thought Redwall was supposed to be equivalent to the real world. I always thought of it as an entirely different place, with completely different geography. However, that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
Did it say Cluny was a Porcanese (spelling?) rat? Or have I got that wrong?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Romsca on August 26, 2013, 01:21:52 AM
Portuguese?
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Post by: Tam and Martin on August 26, 2013, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
Did it say Cluny was a Porcanese (spelling?) rat? Or have I got that wrong?
Oh don't think he was.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: rachel25 on August 26, 2013, 04:15:17 PM
he was I was listening to my Redwall tape last night and it said Cluny was a Portuguese (spelling?) rat
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 26, 2013, 04:23:53 PM
A Portugueze zpellin' rat?
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Post by: rachel25 on August 26, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
 ::)
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Post by: Faiyloe on August 26, 2013, 05:49:00 PM
I thought he was a Norway Rat. 
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Post by: Maudie on August 26, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I remember, it was a Portuguese rat.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Shade on August 26, 2013, 09:09:49 PM
IM RIGHT!  :D
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: rachel25 on August 28, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
yeah he was a Portuguese rat look it up in the book if ya want  ;)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 29, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
Quote from: rachel25 on August 28, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
yeah he was a Portuguese rat look it up in the book if ya want  ;)
Really? I have to read Redwall again.... ::)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: rachel25 on August 29, 2013, 06:13:34 PM
*face paw*
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Sailears on September 23, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
I wonder where Mariel and Dandin sailed off to - maybe reached the equivalent of Ireland, or beyond?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Blaggut on September 26, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on August 25, 2013, 12:07:51 PM
I never thought Redwall was supposed to be equivalent to the real world. I always thought of it as an entirely different place, with completely different geography. However, that is just my opinion.

I agree!
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Jukka the Sling on September 26, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: curunen on September 23, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
I wonder where Mariel and Dandin sailed off to - maybe reached the equivalent of Ireland, or beyond?
Never thought of that! Maybe someone should write a fanfic about it!
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on September 27, 2013, 01:57:29 AM
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 26, 2013, 05:49:00 PM
I thought he was a Norway Rat. 
He's obviously a Redwall Rat, wot wot!  ;)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on October 04, 2013, 02:22:35 AM
Sorry for double post, but I heard it from the mouth of Brian himself, that Cluny is a bilge rat.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Shade on October 04, 2013, 10:49:39 PM
Well, that's controdicting the book. Look it up yourself, it said he's a Portuguese rat.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on October 08, 2013, 01:17:26 AM
I think that the belief in foreign lands in the world of Redwall is something for the reader to decide. If you use your imagination, you can head over to that world and see for yourself.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Cornflower MM on October 14, 2013, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
Did it say Cluny was a Porcanese (spelling?) rat? Or have I got that wrong?
i THINK so, not sure!! haven't read that one in a while!!
Oh, and Redwaller?? maybe he's a Portuguese bilge rat!!!! he can be both, RIGHT??? (you are supposed to right!!)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 06, 2013, 11:01:56 AM
Actually, there's no such thing as a "portuguese bilge rat". And I take my information from a highly plausible place: A Brian Jacques Interview!
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 08, 2013, 02:58:45 AM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 06, 2013, 11:01:56 AM
Actually, there's no such thing as a "portuguese bilge rat". And I take my information from a highly plausible place: A Brian Jacques Interview!
Were did you see (or hear, or read...) the interview?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 08, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
In one of these:

Quote from: DanielofRedwall on July 06, 2011, 04:43:09 AM
Here are the links:
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K62jdWsSQc&feature=related
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nYDN8k33tM&feature=related
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5gt6CvSagA&feature=related
Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwcYSzKunY&feature=related
Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-t20gzD1U&feature=related

Here's another really good Brian Jacques video, he's at a Boarders in La Grange, I've seen it heaps of times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHCVLUdQXc&feature=related
That one includes the famous "animals are better people then people" quote.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 09, 2013, 01:21:57 AM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 08, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
In one of these:

Quote from: DanielofRedwall on July 06, 2011, 04:43:09 AM
Here are the links:
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K62jdWsSQc&feature=related
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nYDN8k33tM&feature=related
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5gt6CvSagA&feature=related
Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwcYSzKunY&feature=related
Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-t20gzD1U&feature=related

Here's another really good Brian Jacques video, he's at a Boarders in La Grange, I've seen it heaps of times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHCVLUdQXc&feature=related
That one includes the famous "animals are better people then people" quote.
Ooh...eh, which interview has what you were talking about?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 09, 2013, 01:37:20 AM
I believe it's the first one.  ;)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 09, 2013, 01:43:35 AM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 09, 2013, 01:37:20 AM
I believe it's the first one.  ;)
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Shade on November 09, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 06, 2013, 11:01:56 AM
Actually, there's no such thing as a "portuguese bilge rat". And I take my information from a highly plausible place: A Brian Jacques Interview!
But what about the book? Don't you think that's a high enough plausible place?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 09, 2013, 08:28:35 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 09, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 06, 2013, 11:01:56 AM
Actually, there's no such thing as a "portuguese bilge rat". And I take my information from a highly plausible place: A Brian Jacques Interview!
But what about the book? Don't you think that's a high enough plausible place?
If BJ said it was, it was.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 10, 2013, 01:52:14 AM
First, I don't believe any of us has read Redwall in a while, so we can't be sure.

Second, it could have been a writing accident.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 04:24:12 AM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 10, 2013, 01:52:14 AM
First, I don't believe any of us has read Redwall in a while, so we can't be sure.

Second, it could have been a writing accident.
That can be considered, though I do sort of remember something about a bilge-rat in Redwall.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 10, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
Maybe one of Cluny's captains was a bilge rat?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on November 10, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
Maybe one of Cluny's captains was a bilge rat?
Possably...
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Shadefur nightblade on November 13, 2013, 02:12:03 AM
Chapter 2; paragraph 4-5

   Some said that Cluny was a Portugese rat. Others said he came from the jungles far across the wide oceans. Nobody knew for sure.
   Clunky was a bilge rat; the biggest, most savage rodent that ever jumped from ship to shore. Ect,...
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 13, 2013, 04:38:39 AM
Quote from: Shadefur nightblade on November 13, 2013, 02:12:03 AM
Chapter 2; paragraph 4-5

   Some said that Cluny was a Portugese rat. Others said he came from the jungles far across the wide oceans. Nobody knew for sure.
   Clunky was a bilge rat; the biggest, most savage rodent that ever jumped from ship to shore. Ect,...
Well, that does clear up a few things...
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Redwaller on November 13, 2013, 11:18:34 AM
Oooh! So people thought he was a portuguese rat! But he is indeed a bilge rat!

Thanks Shadefur!
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Shadefur nightblade on November 13, 2013, 01:01:33 PM
You're welcome! :)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Shade on November 13, 2013, 03:51:32 PM
Hmm, I'll have to check up on this, can't really trust these new Shades nowadays... ;)
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Post by: rachel25 on November 23, 2013, 04:08:53 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Jetthebinturong on November 23, 2013, 07:41:22 PM
I made a Japan/China equivalent and an India equivalent, they're called Hakaan and Abada
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: rachel25 on January 18, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
Ok, we've gone really far off topic.  :D
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Skarzs on January 19, 2014, 03:59:58 AM
Quote from: Shadefur nightblade on November 13, 2013, 02:12:03 AM
Chapter 2; paragraph 4-5

   Some said that Cluny was a Portugese rat. Others said he came from the jungles far across the wide oceans. Nobody knew for sure.
   Clunky was a bilge rat; the biggest, most savage rodent that ever jumped from ship to shore. Ect,...
That second paragraph reads "Clunky".  ;D
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Jetthebinturong on April 16, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
Quote from: rachel25 on January 18, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
Ok, we've gone really far off topic.  :D
No actually we haven't. The topic was "Far off lands" that's what everyone has be talking about or at least the denizens thereof (i.e Cluny)
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on April 17, 2014, 03:45:00 AM
So since this is Far Off Lands, was Riftgard a island or Land??
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: 321tumbler on April 17, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
What?
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Jetthebinturong on April 21, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on April 17, 2014, 03:45:00 AM
So since this is Far Off Lands, was Riftgard a island or Land??

Riftgard was a fortress on an unnamed island
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Faiyloe on May 13, 2014, 09:12:24 PM
What book was that from... memory's failing again...
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Post by: Jetthebinturong on May 13, 2014, 09:43:58 PM
Triss
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Post by: Deyna the Warrior on September 13, 2014, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: Cornflower MM on October 14, 2013, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
Did it say Cluny was a Porcanese (spelling?) rat? Or have I got that wrong?
i THINK so, not sure!! haven't read that one in a while!!
Oh, and Redwaller?? maybe he's a Portuguese bilge rat!!!! he can be both, RIGHT??? (you are supposed to right!!)
Of course he can be both!...right? I mean, the term bilge is referring to a ship, so that ship could be from Portugal.
And we also have to keep in mind that the text specifically says "some said", it sounds like a rumor to me. I'm ready to believe it, but still.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: The Skarzs on September 13, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
My friend has seen rats as big as cats where we live. . . not sure what kind they are.

All the far off lands only seem to be necessary to the specific book they are in. Because of how far away they are, it comes to reason that they wouldn't be the first thing to come to mind if Mossflower is in danger, thus making it unnecessary to be mentioned again in major storylines.
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Post by: SilentSam on November 04, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
So... Cluny is Portugese? (Sorry if I spelled it wrong)
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Post by: Jukka the Sling on November 04, 2014, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: SilentSam on November 04, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
So... Cluny is Portugese? (Sorry if I spelled it wrong)
Well, it says at one point that some speculated he was from there. But that was the first book, and Jacques didn't expect to write an entire series. Later books show that the series doesn't take place in the real world.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: LT Sandpaw on November 17, 2014, 07:52:06 PM

I don't think Redwall stories take place anywhere legitimate, I suppose the land is made like Britain but it's probably not exactly Britain.
So correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Britain has any deserts.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Albrithr on November 18, 2014, 12:57:50 AM
There are no true deserts anywhere in Europe, and definitely none of the Sahara-like scale that is depicted past the great cliffs.
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on November 18, 2014, 06:25:52 PM

That's what I thought.
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Post by: Hickory on December 17, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Mask on August 26, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I remember, it was a Portuguese rat.

I thought it said bilge rat. He was certainly bigger than the others.
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: LT Sandpaw on December 17, 2014, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on September 13, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
My friend has seen rats as big as cats where we live. . . not sure what kind they are.



These rats are called Nutria they are massive, I believe Brian may have mentioned them in the book Mossflower, they are bigger then most cats, I have seen them and they are incredible fast in water. I don't think Cluny is a Nutria, besides they are very friendly and you can usually hand feed them, if you got the guts to get near one ;D
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 17, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on December 17, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Mask on August 26, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I remember, it was a Portuguese rat.

I thought it said bilge rat. He was certainly bigger than the others.
I think it referred to him as both a bilge rat AND a Portuguese rat... 
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Post by: willruth on December 28, 2014, 09:16:48 AM
   C an I suggest the far off lands in Legend of Luke!!! ;D
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Post by: The Skarzs on December 28, 2014, 02:58:50 PM
Rephrase, please? :P
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Post by: Hickory on December 28, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Well, sampetra was far off...
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: willruth on December 29, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
The volcanic islands that Luke visited in pursuit of Vilu Daskar !
Title: Re: far off lands
Post by: Hickory on December 29, 2014, 05:21:23 PM
Yeha, all those islands would kind of count.