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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: Tam and Martin on June 02, 2013, 09:32:00 PM

Title: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 02, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
This topic is to discuss what you think about Moledeep. It is a place in the Redwall book Mossflower the place where the moles and Loamhedge mice stayed from a battle one time. If you have any thoughts on this place you can feel free to mention them here!

    -Tam
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 02, 2013, 10:15:46 PM
Great place, but ah vizh zere 'ad more aboot it. Incidentally, ah alvayz zorta vanted zere tae be a mole in vone o' ze bookz tae vield Martin'z zvord.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 03, 2013, 12:35:04 AM
Yes I wanted thst too. That could be his secret fortress  ;D
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Shadowed One on June 06, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
Yeah, it sounded interesting, but I think Brian used it only for a way for them to escape the Kotir soldiers in that scene.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 06, 2013, 05:27:01 PM
I wish it was used more. Otters have a stream, Squirrels the trees, but Moles only had that one spot.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Shadowed One on June 06, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
Yeah, but mostly they live at Redwall anyway.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 06, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
I wish there was more about Moledeep in the Redwall series...
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 06, 2013, 10:52:30 PM
Aye, maybe zomevone could vrite a ztory aboot it!
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 06, 2013, 10:52:53 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 06, 2013, 10:52:30 PM
Aye, maybe zomevone could vrite a ztory aboot it!
I bet someone already has...
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Kitsune on June 07, 2013, 04:42:35 PM
I don't really remember what Moledeep was...
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 07, 2013, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: PluggFiretail on June 07, 2013, 04:42:35 PM
I don't really remember what Moledeep was...
It appeared in Mossflower. It was a Mole home, just it was underground, hence its name. ;D
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: The Shade on June 07, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
Hmm, I've wondered if Moledeep was the Doomwyte cave......Anyone else think so???
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 07, 2013, 05:52:01 PM
No I don't think so.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 07, 2013, 05:52:33 PM
Quote from: The Shade on June 07, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
Hmm, I've wondered if Moledeep was the Doomwyte cave......Anyone else think so???
But Doomwyte was first discovered by Gonff only, maybe, a few years after the Moles must have left Moledeep. Also, there is no reference it Moledeep sitting on boiling water, as was Doomwyte. It would probably be inhabitable if for the Moles if it was.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Maudie on June 07, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
It was underground ;)
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Free Thought on June 07, 2013, 07:04:22 PM
This might be a little off topic, but... in "Mossflower," if moles had Moledeep.  Otters had Camp Willow.  Badgers had Brockhall.  Mice had Saint Ninians (for arguments sake- as Jacques refers to it as such in TLOL).... where was the squirrel stronghold?  What was it called?  I mean, Lady Amber was a "Squirrelqueen"- you would think she would have some sort of tree palace or something...
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 07, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
Hmmm.....Not in Mossflower, but in Rakkety Tam there was a squirrelkigdom. I always thought that was a descent from the squirrels of Mossflower.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on June 07, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
In the book Bellmaker castle floret (sp?) was a squirrle castle, and as Tam said, there was the squirrle tree "kindom" in the book Rakkety Tam.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 07, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mask on June 07, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
It was underground ;)
I know.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Maudie on June 07, 2013, 10:40:50 PM
Maybe Moledeep got flooded when they flooded Kotir.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 07, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
Zat vould be a neat story taae...Flood in Moledeep!
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: The Shade on June 08, 2013, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on June 07, 2013, 05:52:33 PM
Quote from: The Shade on June 07, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
Hmm, I've wondered if Moledeep was the Doomwyte cave......Anyone else think so???
But Doomwyte was first discovered by Gonff only, maybe, a few years after the Moles must have left Moledeep. Also, there is no reference it Moledeep sitting on boiling water, as was Doomwyte. It would probably be inhabitable if for the Moles if it was.

Point taken.And yeah, I wish Brian had used Moledeep in another book.I mean, he used Brockhall anuff times.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Shadowed One on June 10, 2013, 12:05:29 PM
But after Mossflower, the moles always lived at Redwall.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 10, 2013, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on June 10, 2013, 12:05:29 PM
But after Mossflower, the moles always lived at Redwall.

Zome o' zem, anyvay. Zere might 'ave been ozerz oot livin' in Mozzflover.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Shadowed One on June 11, 2013, 12:42:11 PM
Yes, but the ones that lived in Moledeep moved to Redwall.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 11, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
Ze vonez ve ken aboot, anyvay. Like ah zaid, zere might 'ave been zome ozerz oot in Mozzflover.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Mariel on June 15, 2013, 07:37:57 PM
I always wondered what happened to that-one-mole-place-who's-name-I-never-remember in Lord Brocktree :-[. You know, with the really good food, :D(That's like everywhere in all of the books)where they met Rogg.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 15, 2013, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: Mariel on June 15, 2013, 07:37:57 PM
I always wondered what happened to that-one-mole-place-who's-name-I-never-remember in Lord Brocktree :-[. You know, with the really good food, :D(That's like everywhere in all of the books)where they met Rogg.
It was probably always there.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 15, 2013, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on June 15, 2013, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: Mariel on June 15, 2013, 07:37:57 PM
I always wondered what happened to that-one-mole-place-who's-name-I-never-remember in Lord Brocktree :-[. You know, with the really good food, :D(That's like everywhere in all of the books)where they met Rogg.
It was probably always there.
Yeah, It probably wasn't remebered by others and it just....died out.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Captain Tammo on November 22, 2013, 01:48:12 AM
Exactly how big was moledeep? Was it just a huge cavern, a system of small intricate tunnels and passages, a small home, a big town underground??

Also, if lady Amber was a squirrelqueen, does that mean she was royalty, or was that just a title like "Skipper"?
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 22, 2013, 02:51:58 AM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on November 22, 2013, 01:48:12 AM
Exactly how big was moledeep? Was it just a huge cavern, a system of small intricate tunnels and passages, a small home, a big town underground??

Also, if lady Amber was a squirrelqueen, does that mean she was royalty, or was that just a title like "Skipper"?
For your first question, the size of Moledeep is never really specified.
For you second question, I don't think that there is "royalty" in that world as there is in this one. Terms like "King" or "Quenn" probably are just names for leaders in that world.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 25, 2013, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 22, 2013, 02:51:58 AM
For your first question, the size of Moledeep is never really specified.
For you second question, I don't think that there is "royalty" in that world as there is in this one. Terms like "King" or "Quenn" probably are just names for leaders in that world.

"Quenn"? Ah zink ye mean "Queen" or "Quean".
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 26, 2013, 01:28:39 AM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 25, 2013, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 22, 2013, 02:51:58 AM
For your first question, the size of Moledeep is never really specified.
For you second question, I don't think that there is "royalty" in that world as there is in this one. Terms like "King" or "Quenn" probably are just names for leaders in that world.

"Quenn"? Ah zink ye mean "Queen" or "Quean".
I mean "Queen" spesificlly. "Quean" is a completly different word.
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: The Skarzs on January 13, 2014, 03:52:28 AM
Ha ha. Quean. You make me laugh; much funny. But anyhow, it would be interesting to know how big Moledeep was, or Brockhall for that matter. I knew it was big, with all its rooms and tunnels underground, but how many would it actually be able to hold?
Title: Re: Moledeep.
Post by: Stonestripe on April 16, 2015, 03:10:16 AM
Moledeep was supposed to be the home of foremole and his crew but I think it went the way of Brockhall when the Abby was built. I would have loved to know more about it.