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Title: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: rachel25 on March 25, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
is the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst or in the middle bad guy for me personily he was quit scary at the start befor you got to know him and then I found out he wasn't that smart  :-X (CAUTION THERE MAY BE RAKKETY TAM SPOILERS IN THIS TOPIC)
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Tam and Martin on March 25, 2013, 09:27:39 PM
I liked him. Creepy though.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on March 27, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
I liked him because you could never tell what he would do and it was scarier when goodbeasts were sneaking around him because, if they got caught, Gulo took no prisoners.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 27, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
I thought that he was kind of dumb, no offence. Yes, he was a powerful creature, but he didn't have the brains of a true Warlord.
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Post by: rachel25 on March 28, 2013, 12:39:45 PM
I agree with you but at the start when it was hit and run or in this case hit and eat then run  ;) after you got to learn what sort of creature he was he wasn't so scary  :-\
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: KitrallStreamrippler on March 28, 2013, 04:50:47 PM
I dunno, I don't think you need brains when you're that size. I looked up wolverines in my wildlife book- they are bigger than badgers. That's pretty impressive. (Though yes, he was quite stupid.)
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 28, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
I wish there were more Wolverine's in the Redwall series, even if they arn't the brightest.
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Post by: WoodenSpoon on March 31, 2013, 10:09:22 PM
I liked him partly for his thick head. It was actually a refreshing change from the clever types. He ruled through sheer brute force. I wouldn't say he was either the worst or the best, but he was a refreshing change of pace.
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Post by: Captain Tammo on March 31, 2013, 10:24:20 PM
He was a brute who leapt then looked and a great villain!! It completed the spectrum of villains.
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Post by: phoenixfoden on March 31, 2013, 11:44:28 PM
i see wolverines as vermins equivilent to badgers.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: rakkety tam on April 03, 2013, 12:03:45 AM
i kinda liked i was very pleased when i read there was going to be a wolverine in redwall and it became my fav book and he may be my fav villain so yeah i like him
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: rachel25 on April 06, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: rakkety tam on April 03, 2013, 12:03:45 AM
i kinda liked i was very pleased when i read there was going to be a wolverine in redwall and it became my fav book and he may be my fav villain so yeah i like him
Well you are called rakkety tam  ;)  :D
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Kitsune on April 08, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
Well, he ruled more by power than by strategy. Just another villain for me. I'm surprised he made it as far as he did, though.

All topics probably have spoilers in them. ;)
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Shadowed One on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
He was basically a bad badger who had no real strategy other than kill, eat, destroy, etc.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Romsca on April 09, 2013, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
He was basically a bad badger who had no real strategy other than kill, eat, destroy, etc.
Well said! (good thing he didn't have Bloodwrath, though!)
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on April 09, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: Romsca on April 09, 2013, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
He was basically a bad badger who had no real strategy other than kill, eat, destroy, etc.
Well said! (good thing he didn't have Bloodwrath, though!)
Your real right there, mate! If he had got the Bloodwrath, then not even a Badger probubly wouldn't even stand a chance!
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Post by: Romsca on April 09, 2013, 08:58:36 PM
A badger might...if he had the Bloodwrath too...but the Redwallers wouldn't even stand a chance!
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Post by: Rusvul on April 14, 2013, 06:56:04 PM
I didn't like him much, because of the grisly scenes where he ate his enemies. That sort of stuff really creeps me out (The main reason I'm vegetarian), and even though Rakkety Tam and Doogy Plumm and all the heroes were awesome ( some of my favorites) Gulo's eating habits put me off the book.
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Post by: Vilu Daskar on June 16, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
Middle bad guy
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 16, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on June 16, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
Middle bad guy
What middle bad guy?
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on June 19, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on June 16, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on June 16, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
Middle bad guy
What middle bad guy?
He probably means that Gulo is "In Between".
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Tam and Martin on June 19, 2013, 09:55:01 PM
Ok!
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: rachel25 on June 20, 2013, 03:29:17 PM
OK I get what your talking about  8)
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Mariel on June 23, 2013, 04:46:03 AM
He isn't really anything than a walking killing machine. He's almost the opposite of a fanfic character I'm writing about, very few defense mechanisms-except his wit. 
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Post by: Sanddunes on September 03, 2017, 04:14:31 PM
If he was smart he'll have a far better chance at winning which is why Brian made him stupid
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Scott McLamok on October 07, 2017, 02:35:11 AM
Well I liked the idea of a wolverine but he was to cokey and doesn't have brain no offense but no one is perfect so it would be half and half for me XD
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Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 07, 2017, 02:41:44 AM
The fact he couldn't keep his army intact shows how bad a villain he is, not to say at the least.

By the way, it would have been cool if the Long Patrol and Gulo's army fought an actual battle.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Sanddunes on October 07, 2017, 04:07:32 AM
The thing is Rakkety Tam was the only book to have wolverines and we really only knew one the other only mentioned or not there very long. So basically we don't know what they're all like
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 07, 2017, 04:15:26 AM
True, however basing off those two, they are not the most  mentally stable creatures.
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Post by: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 04:55:17 AM
That could be mostly Gulo's family.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Sanddunes on October 07, 2017, 05:34:06 AM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 04:55:17 AM
That could be mostly Gulo's family.

Or just Gulo
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
No, we saw how his brother acted.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: MeadowR on October 07, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
He's an absolute brute!

Gulo's certainly not the best in terms of brains and strategy.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Sanddunes on October 07, 2017, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
No, we saw how his brother acted.

Their personalities seem different the problem is we only knew Askor for just a few minutes (probably not even that much) so we don't know what he was really liked. What we do know is they both ate their enemies but seems like part of their culture
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Post by: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
Than how would it be just Gulo?
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Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 07, 2017, 10:20:17 PM
Askor was pretty crazy when those two rovers met him.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Sanddunes on October 08, 2017, 01:14:01 AM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
Than how would it be just Gulo?

Because maybe Wolverines are only supposed to eat strong warriors to gang their strength while Gulo seem to eat anyone he can
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Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 08, 2017, 02:31:01 AM
So, "you are what you eat" is your theory.
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Post by: Ashleg on October 08, 2017, 03:04:35 AM
That's a strange way to think of it. It was never implied.
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Post by: Sanddunes on October 08, 2017, 07:12:15 PM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 08, 2017, 03:04:35 AM
That's a strange way to think of it. It was never implied.

In some parts of the it kind of was like when Askor told the woodlanders to before he goes bad and when Gulo said he was going to eat Rakkety heart because he was brave
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Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 09, 2017, 05:45:18 PM
It could be the wolverine religious beliefs. (Could be a possibility.)
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Post by: The Skarzs on October 09, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
That was a practice of some Native American tribes. It was probably based on that.
Title: Re: IS the wolverine in Rakkety Tam the best or worst bad guy?????????????????
Post by: Maudie on October 09, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
Hmm, would that mean that the land they came from was based on America or Canada?

I do think that would kind of account for the whole "whoever is in possession on the Walking Stone is the rightful king" thing, plus I always thought "the Walking Stone" was kind of out of place as far as names go in Redwall.
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Post by: The Skarzs on October 09, 2017, 07:51:04 PM
Yes. . .
Fascinating. Maybe that's where they were supposed to be from.
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Post by: Jetthebinturong on October 09, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
While it is possible that they were meant to come from Canada, as wolverines are native to it, I think it's far more likely that they are meant to come from Scandinavia. In particular, Norway, which is literally referred to, in real life, as "The Land of Ice and Snow."
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Post by: MeadowR on October 09, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
I assumed they came from North America.
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Post by: The Skarzs on October 09, 2017, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on October 09, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
While it is possible that they were meant to come from Canada, as wolverines are native to it, I think it's far more likely that they are meant to come from Scandinavia. In particular, Norway, which is literally referred to, in real life, as "The Land of Ice and Snow."
Perhaps. But what about the culture? Do you suppose he was basing them off of the Vikings?
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Post by: Jetthebinturong on October 10, 2017, 01:07:22 AM
Their culture does seem distinctly viking-like, being merciless raiders who destroy everything they come across. Gulo himself is pretty much a viking stereotype. Don't recall vikings ever eating people though.
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Post by: KoudoawaiaVortex on October 10, 2017, 08:27:59 PM
I liked him because I like wolverines and how nobody who knows what's good for them better do anything to make them mad.
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Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 13, 2017, 12:49:13 AM
So a Viking - American indian cross?
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Post by: The Skarzs on October 13, 2017, 03:33:39 AM
Perhaps.
The hierarchy is what seems the most viking-like.
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Post by: Grond on October 29, 2017, 03:27:07 AM
Quote from: Sanddunes on October 08, 2017, 01:14:01 AM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 07, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
Than how would it be just Gulo?

Because maybe Wolverines are only supposed to eat strong warriors to gang their strength while Gulo seem to eat anyone he can

Both the ermine and foxes in Gulo's army ate their enemies or where "cannibals". I'm guessing that was a cultural thing for creatures who were the subjects of Dramz and later Gulo. While there is no doubt that Gulo was crazy, there is nothing to suggest that his brother or father were. The fact that Askor might have been acting somewhat strangely, although I don't remember him being crazy from the brief scene while he was alive in the book, has to be taken in the context that a tree had fallen on him and broken his back. He must have known he was going to die (while at the same time he was probably in excruciating pain) and given this he actually remained fairly calm and composed. He wasn't in a wild panic and appeared to be thinking pretty clearly. Also Gulo murdered his father because, if memory serves me right, he wanted for Gulo and Askor to share power and rule together. While Gulo wanted to be the sole ruler. This indicates that their father was actually a pretty good father especially for vermin.