So, this church was mentioned a few times, but who was St Ninian, How did the church get there, why is it abondened, and what other info is there? I need more info :P thinking about writing a fanfic, as it seems interesting...
Saint Ninian's isn't a church, it's simply a giant house. The mouse Ninian and his wife were supposed to build it together but he didn't help so when she finished building, she put up a sign that said "This ain't Ninian's!" but the sign faded over time. This isn't just me being stupid, it says so in tLoL
*sigh* I might get this topic closed.
Ok, so St. Ninians WAS in fact a church, for it was used as a church sometime over a long period of time.It was not built for church uses at first. It was used to house Luke and his tribe before Martin, but as Jet said, it did have that origin.
Oh yeah, I remember. But I thought that was just a funny legend devised by the teller?
No, she's asked if the story is true and Luke answers for her, saying that it is
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on November 11, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
Saint Ninian's isn't a church, it's simply a giant house. The mouse Ninian and his wife were supposed to build it together but he didn't help so when she finished building, she put up a sign that said "This ain't Ninian's!" but the sign faded over time. This isn't just me being stupid, it says so in tLoL
Are you sure Luke just wasn't playing around when he said that it was a true story?
This is a sort of topic that I think changes as the series moves on and away from religious undertones. In the first book, you could say that it was a church and simply that. As more books began coming out, I think that Brian added this little side-story so that the church setting would appeal to a wider spectrum of readers.
Yeah... It wasn't mentioned in many books as an actual setting, only in... let's see... redwall, Pearls of Lutra, Legend of Luke, and maybe mossflower.
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on January 04, 2015, 08:15:34 PM
Yeah... It wasn't mentioned in many books as an actual setting, only in... let's see... redwall, Pearls of Lutra, Legend of Luke, and maybe mossflower.
That's because they burned it to the ground in Pearls of Lutra.
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*evil laugh*
Who ordered Ninian's to be burned? Was it Rollo because of the history of vermin using it as a hideaway?
Yeah.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on January 05, 2015, 05:22:57 PM
Who ordered Ninian's to be burned? Was it Rollo because of the history of vermin using it as a hideaway?
Pretty much. . . The final straw was when Piknim (sp?) died there trying to get a pearl from the jackdaws. Then Rollo made a big speech on the history of vermin who lived there and made their headquarters there and ordered it to burned.
I rather liked Piknim; rather sudden death. :P
Yes it was. I liked Piknim too. . . . . Still, I suppose BJ knew what he was doing.
Quote from: Cornflower MM on January 06, 2015, 11:29:23 PM
Yes it was. I liked Piknim too. . . . . Still, I suppose BJ knew what he was doing.
Aye, but I wasn't very affected by Piknim's death though. If her death was on page, I would be sad.
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on November 11, 2014, 10:33:56 PM
*sigh* I might get this topic closed.
Ok, so St. Ninians WAS in fact a church, for it was used as a church sometime over a long period of time.It was not built for church uses at first. It was used to house Luke and his tribe before Martin, but as Jet said, it did have that origin.
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If it was a church, are the animals Christian?
Well no, Jacques specifically stated that there was no religion in Redwall. The main characters live in an abbey, they're not religious. Also churches are not only Christian
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on January 10, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Well no, Jacques specifically stated that there was no religion in Redwall. The main characters live in an abbey, they're not religious. Also churches are not only Christian
I know Brian Jacques stated there was no religion in Redwall. As for the church fact, I actually did not know. Please forgive me if I offended anybody.
There were definitely religious influences in the series, or at least elements of the series that are comparable to Christianity. Whether these are intentional or not, I suppose we'll never know for certain. Brian did say that there was no religion in Redwall, but maybe he said this to appeal to a wider audience, or because he did not want controversy or people to think that religion was not the focus of the stories? Just a thought.
What's really cool is that there was a St. Ninian in Bede's "Ecclesiastical History of the English People." Who built a church, I forget many of the details, but it did seem as if Brian Jaques could have based St Ninian's Church on the church that St. Ninian built.
Maybe St. Ninians was like an older Redwall, with communal graveyard and a meeting or feasting place)