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Salamandastron Uniforms
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:18:09 PM »

I was thinking (and I can't look this up at the moment because all of my books are packed up in boxes) what was the uniform progression of the Salamandastron hares and the long patrol? Particularly what the long patrols uniforms looked like in Rogue Crew.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2017, 02:55:04 PM »

It's been so long I can't remember.
I don't imagine it would have changed very much from, say, the Long Patrol, where it was shown as being a British colonial uniform, or at least similar to it. (Can't find the picture I'm thinking of.)
Here is the hare from The Sable Quean, which is near Rogue Crew.

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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 06:29:47 PM »

I recall the U.S. front cover of The Long Patrol had a depiction of the hares in a somewhat average garb. However the later books show more of a military parade-style uniform. I always associate the garb with that of a British Redcoat.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 06:42:55 PM »





Interesting to compare the UK and US covers. I had never seen the UK one before. The uniforms look more...uniform. More standardly militaristic.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 06:48:15 PM »

Indeed.

I wonder what uniform would fit a Long Patrol hare, since a lot of what they do is reconnaissance and running. My guess is that it would all be the same make, though different from the main force of Salamandastron. The color would have to be brown, green, tan, gray and or black so they can more easily blend in with their surroundings.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 09:35:01 PM »

I have in mind they are like the redcoats of the 18th century.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 11:11:56 PM »

That US cover... what's going on with the chap on the right? Looks like a badger-aardvark. :P

The UK edition of The Long Patrol was the (joint) first Redwall book I ever got and it pretty much cemented from there how I would picture the uniform.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 05:34:54 PM »

The cartoons present them as wearing British style uniforms I believe.

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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 05:50:05 PM »

It's hard to imagine them with just one uniform though. I imagine they had an assortment. Anyways in that pic you can see a blue uniform amongst the red ones, at the forefront too. Having multiple colors wouldn't mess up their battling considering no other army in the books uses uniforms in the typical sense (I don't consider the headbands of the Gousim and the habits of the Redwallers uniforms in the typical sense.) the fact they were fancy uniforms is itself their identification in the mess of battle.

And the Napoleonic era armies we're using to guide us here didn't use all one colour too, though that's how we think of them. Each did have a /predominant/ colour, but their forces had a fairly wide range of colours each, though usually different in shade compared to the enemy's. Not that it did much help in the smoke filled battlefields.

Here's an assortment of French Chasseurs a Cheval:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/24/f5/73/24f573824a1e426342188415e33c96a0--color-card-napoleonic-wars.jpg

More French cavalry units, except for the Polish Trumpeter:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/41/81/444181c762c16f8f3667b34888612b38.jpg

Wellington's British Light Cavalry:
https://ospreypublishing.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/958def80b7ce809d46640f86aa46835c/9/7/9780850454499.jpg

The infantry usually were mostly the predominant colour of their nation, but there was difference there too. Austrians used mainly white, but some wore gray and blue. And the white uniforms had differences from other white uniforms in the army.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/47/ab/37/47ab3704ebae277abae05f7f3a8ba22c--napoleonic-wars-drummers.jpg

During the Victorian era the colour did become somewhat more standardized, partially due to the slow dissapearence of cavalry units. (Though that didn't end until WW1. The British army started with about /half/ their units as cavalry because of misconceptions about the war. And in WW2 there was some cavalry, if you count soldiers on bicycles.)
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 06:01:35 PM »

Certainly they would have varied like that. :) I'm a fan of the uniform from around those times, too. ;D

The hares' uniform being that design has always jarred with me for accepting Redwall as simply a medieval setting. I try to meet in the middle for a rough equivalent dating of it where that kind of uniform would be more comfortable, yet there is still a medieval influence.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 09:09:57 PM »

Oh, I think we can certainly say Redwall is in no way Mediaeval. After all, that generally implies feudal- at least in Europe- and Redwall is not feudal at all. Redwall is very idealized, and doesn't really fit any real setting at all.


Personally, I believe Brian was writing of more recent developments than the Napoleonic wars. The Long Patrol's uniforms seemed to resemble the Early Modern Era British military uniforms rather more than the elaborate Napoleonic ones.


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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 10:05:20 PM »

^ Yeah, a good illustration to use there; certainly that works the most closely with the image given on the UK cover. And it's also the attitude: it's the stereotypical 'what ho chaps!' way they speak which has more in common with the late 19th - early 20th Century (reminding me of how sergeants and the like spoke during the War), and so more suited to that uniform, as well.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 11:11:09 PM »

Pretty sure the rookies, at least, wear green.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 02:57:06 AM »

Also notable is that Jacques identified the RAF as a major inspiration for the Long Patrol. Growing up as he did in WWII, that would make sense - he drew on other elements of that time for Redwall as well.

The RAF are hardly medieval. But the general array of ship types, weapon types and the like within the Redwall universe definitely don't make its dating obvious. It's just a wonderful, creative amalgam of interesting things from our world, within reasonable relevance to a world of medieval adventure, is how I think of it.
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Re: Salamandastron Uniforms
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 09:23:59 AM »

Redwall is a mix of the feudal period and the Napoleonic and Victorian period for sure.
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