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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Ashleg on August 04, 2017, 07:02:17 AM

Poll
Question: How do you pronounce Veil's name?
Option 1: V-EEL
Option 2: V-AIL
Option 3: Other
Title: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 04, 2017, 07:02:17 AM
As straightforward as it sounds.
His name is rhymed with "evil" and "vile", so I just want to hear what ya think.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 04, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
Nah, it's not rhymed. It's pronounced Vail, there is literally no doubt of that.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: The Skarzs on August 04, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
Poems tend to bend the pronunciation of words.
I think it was more that those words all use the same letters.

Kind of messed up to give him a name like that at birth.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 04, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
Poems don't have to rhyme, they just need to have the correct number of syllables. There's no reason to think that the word Veil in that poem is pronounced any differently than it should be.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 04, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
I've been thinking him Veel for three years.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: MeadowR on August 04, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Veil like 'vale/vail' - his true self is veiled from many!

I probably called him 'Veel' in my mind when I first read the book. And maybe again. Because sometimes I have trouble/I forget how to pronounce things properly. ;D My mind wants to automatically see it as 'veel' and then it has to check itself to remind that it is most likely as the masked word is, 'vail'.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Andy on August 17, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
I always pronounced it like "vail" myself.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 17, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
I call him Veel and I'm not ashamed.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: LordTBT on August 30, 2017, 01:01:01 AM
The audiobook can reveal the correct way. ;)
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 01:25:46 AM
But they're Brotish.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 30, 2017, 03:04:30 AM
There is literally only one way to pronounce this word.

I don't understand.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 03:16:29 AM
Apparently there's another person that pronounces it how I do and someone else who says it in a completely different way.
It's a character name, and those may be pronounced in a multitude of ways.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 30, 2017, 03:37:05 AM
Bella called him Veil because his true nature was a mystery to her. It was veiled. As in hidden, or shrouded. Veil. Like a bride wears.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
But then they rhymed it. With evil.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: The Skarzs on August 30, 2017, 05:11:44 AM
"Give him a name, and leave him awhile,
Veil may live to be evil and vile,
Though I hope my prediction will fail,
And evil so vile will not live in Veil."
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: CaptainRocktree on August 30, 2017, 05:31:57 AM
I personally feel like in a book, the name can be pronounced however you best see fit.

Of course, the author probably intended it to be one way, but it's not always bad the way you originally pronounce it.

Often in my mind, I pronounce names differently than they should be, but they do seem to fit with the way the characters behave. It's almost like my brain is automatically assigning a more suitable name.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
So they rhyme it with both ways. GAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHHHHHH!
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 30, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
NO THEY DON'T.

THE RHYMES IN THAT POEM ARE:
-awhile
-vile
and
-fail
-Veil.

There is no reason to think that Veil rhymes with evil. That doesn't fit the rhyme scheme in any way.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Awhile and vile don't exactly rhyme with "vail".
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 30, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
That's not the rhyme scheme of the poem.

It's AABB. "Vile" and "awhile" rhyme, then "fail" and "Veil" rhyme.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Ashleg on August 31, 2017, 12:02:15 AM
Ain't a poetry master like some.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Andy on August 31, 2017, 04:37:24 AM
I've never been a poetry master and I don't know enough about rhyme scheme to actually talk about it, but even so I understood it as Jet says even when I was a little kid reading the book. It's pretty clear how it was meant to be rhymed.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: clunylooney on April 30, 2020, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: Ashleg on August 30, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
But then they rhymed it. With evil.
NO THEY DIDN'T. POEMS DON'T HAVE TO BE RHYMED. IT DOESN'T RHYME WITH EVIL. DEAR GOD THIS THREAD MAKES ME SAD. YOU CAN PRONOUNCE IT VEEL IF YOU WANT (even though that's wrong) BUT IT DOESN'T RHYME WITH EVIL.

Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 30, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
NO THEY DON'T.

THE RHYMES IN THAT POEM ARE:
-awhile
-vile
and
-fail
-Veil.

There is no reason to think that Veil rhymes with evil. That doesn't fit the rhyme scheme in any way.
LIKE THAT. EXACTLY.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: MeadowR on April 30, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
Now breathe. ;)
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Kade Rivok on April 30, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
Indeed.  I do believe Ashleg understood by the end  ^-^
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: clunylooney on May 01, 2020, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: MeadowR on April 30, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
Now breathe. ;)
*sigh* OK. I'm good now.
Title: Re: Veil : Pronunciation
Post by: Sebias of Redwall on May 20, 2020, 04:17:05 PM
*Pats Cluny on the back*  ^-^

Vail.