who likes starwars. revenge of the sith is my favorite!
I use to be a huge fan of starwars :D
... But now i like halo.
Zomeone mention Star Wars?
The Sith shall always win.
Pretty big Star Wars fan here...Empire Strikes back and the Phantom Menace are my favourites!
Revenge of the Sith was also good, but I got so angry at several parts - Analkin couldve been stopped so many times. And then when he killed the padowans, I was so sad/mad...
Pretty emotional movie. :P
I have to say that the Sith are:
1.) Stupid, their strategies are terrible!
2.) Annoying, they are so darn OP!
3.) Vain, have you ever seen a Sith that was nice?
4.) Overrated, they are way less awesome than people seem to think.
It's kind of strange since I'm a computers major (read: nerd), but I've never really been interested in the whole space science fiction genre. I prefer fantasy, mostly.
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 09, 2012, 04:19:09 AM
I have to say that the Sith are:
1.) Stupid, their strategies are terrible!
2.) Annoying, they are so darn OP!
3.) Vain, have you ever seen a Sith that was nice?
4.) Overrated, they are way less awesome than people seem to think.
1.) Lord Sidious' takeover of the entire Galaxy worked pretty well.
2.) OP? What does this mean?
3.) Sith need not be 'nice'. We are better than that.
4.) Two words: Darth Maul.
1.) That's because he cheated with clones, and that was the only time their plans worked.
2.) (overpowered) I mean come one, how come they get all this strength that the Jedi don't have? Have you ever seen a Jedi use Lighting?
3.) That doesn't mean that Sith aren't vain arrogant snobs.
4.) Yeah, the guy that was killed by a Padawan, and only managed to kill Gui Gon Jin because he was a coward, that's the very definition of over-rated.
I'm pretty much just stating the reasons why I hate 'em.
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 09, 2012, 07:33:01 PM
1.) That's because he cheated with clones, and that was the only time their plans worked.
2.) (overpowered) I mean come one, how come they get all this strength that the Jedi don't have? Have you ever seen a Jedi use Lighting?
3.) That doesn't mean that Sith aren't vain arrogant snobs.
4.) Yeah, the guy that was killed by a Padawan, and only managed to kill Gui Gon Jin because he was a coward, that's the very definition of over-rated.
I'm pretty much just stating the reasons why I hate 'em.
Sith gain the use of lightning (our most destructive power) by focusing our hatred and anger. This is something the Jedi fools would never do. Maul was not killed by Kenobi. He came back to wreak his vengeance upon his mortal enemy.
Ach, zome fierce opinionz oot here.
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 09, 2012, 07:33:01 PM
1.) That's because he cheated with clones, and that was the only time their plans worked.
2.) (overpowered) I mean come one, how come they get all this strength that the Jedi don't have? Have you ever seen a Jedi use Lighting?
3.) That doesn't mean that Sith aren't vain arrogant snobs.
4.) Yeah, the guy that was killed by a Padawan, and only managed to kill Gui Gon Jin because he was a coward, that's the very definition of over-rated.
I'm pretty much just stating the reasons why I hate 'em.
To answer some of these questionz, the following:
1. He didn't "cheat". He used the Republic's weaknesses and exploited them. That's not cheating. That's merely strategy. That's the main source of the sith's power. They merely use manipulation.
2. For the first, they believe that the jedi only embrace a small part of the force, and that only the way of the sith can allow one to reach their full potential. For the second, Luke Skywalker is but one example.
3. Some of them are arrogant, aye; but there are just as many who aren't.
4. Unfortunately, your argument leaves much to be desired. How could he be a coward when it was two against one? The fact that he was able to keep them on the defense for the majority alone shows that he was not cowardly at all. Qui-gon was getting old, and Obi-wan was almost finished with his training, and he merely caught him by surprise.
An' the fact tha' ye hate them merely placez ye clozer tae them.
Hating those who manipulate (hate among other things) does not place me closer to them.
Jedi are honorable and would not resort to such cheap tactics as using something that corrupts, and name ONE Sith who wasn't arrogant. I'm pretty sure that Darht Maul comging back in the Clone Wars was just for the series, and he probably just dies again. When is two Jedi versus one OP manipulating Cheapskate unfair? And Darth Maul was just as often on the defense as well, if not more so, have you seen how much he runs away? Luke NEVER uses Lighting, Yoda was the only to use it, and that was because he absorbed it. Yes the Chancellor did cheat, he was a coward who knew he was going to win so he backstabbed the Republic with something they didn't even know existed (order 66).
Wid ye care tae check your opinionz on wookieepedia.com, and then perhapz edit your post zae it iz correct.
Riiiiigggggghhhhtttttt, and since when was a wiki given credit? My statements are comletely valid.
jedi 4 da win
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 10, 2012, 04:24:21 AM
Riiiiigggggghhhhtttttt, and since when was a wiki given credit? My statements are comletely valid.
Check the Wookiepedia. It's edited regularly by moderaters.
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Zee Swarm War. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Swarm_War)
In the New Jedi Order, the boundary between the Dark and the Light was weakened. This was the Jedi's greatest mistake, and the Sith's greatest triumph. They were so close to becoming us.
May I juzt zay that I dinnae entirely understand how the "the force going back intae balance thing worked. Az with The Clone Wars right now, we have five zith currently wandering around, and throughout the main zix episodez, many zith appear, and then, after number 6, other zith appear, as well as Palpatine returning to power; Luke turning tae the dark side, etc. And then we later go on tae Darth Krayt. What iz going on with thiz?
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yeah, trust THAT dude, thats a good idea!
Juzt zaw volumes 1 and 2 of the Clone Wars TV zeriez. The one with the horrible graphicz. The thing iz completely horrible. Juzt horrible.
I know, right?
Well, at leazt nae ah've zeen aw tha'z oot there na'.
What?
Watchin' The Holiday Special. Thiz iz juzt ridiculouz.
Oh yeah. I still have to watch that.
Thiz iz juzt ridiculouz.
I love Starwars and it's one of my all time favourites.
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You dare mock us? You shall pay for your insolence!
How weak iz he who'z dignity iz zae eazily lowered by zomeone elze.
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and...
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I challenge you to a duel. We can have a separate topic if you wish.
Sith are so petty! thats why nightsisters will one replace these incompatent men! they will kill themselves off, and we will claim our rightful place, at the head of the galexy, with the full power of the dark side in the palm of our hands!
lol, even though they are now extinct! :D The Rebublic will alwas win in the end!
Any interestin' way of thinkin' aboot the force, iz acceptin' wit will happen based on wit side yer on. Fer example, for good, you may have zeveral hard timez, but usually iz victoriouz in the end. Evil, on the other hand, bringz great power, and few will ztand againzt you, but eventually you will uzually be defeated in the end.
Anyone see the new Clone Wars episode? Eugh. They're getting worse.
It'z not tha'. It'z juzt tha' the current ztory arc is terrible.
Very true.
The queen zpeakz in the third perzon a lot.
Obi-wan!!!!
If you want to get in a fight about star wars, ;) there is the game called Star Wars The Old Republic and they have a free trial version that you can play with out having to get the monthly subscription.
Ach... ah'm glad ah quit thoze...
Quote from: U.N.K.N.O.W.N. on October 14, 2012, 05:52:33 AM
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oh my gosh hilarious!
I hate lux. I'm gonna rip his tounge out and make him eat it!
Whoa there, tiger. That's a bit violent.
Ah 'ope tha' they'll create a T.V zeriez for The Old Republic.
I heard that their next TV series is going to be called 'Underworld'. It will follow the careers of various Bounty Hunters in the era just after the Clone Wars.
Bounty hunters are great! I like Zukuss and 4LOM.
Have you guys seen/heard Cello Wars??? It's great! It's a song by the Piano Guys that's a parody of Star Wars.
Check out the music video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAlQuqzl8o&feature=share&list=UUmKurapML4BF9Bjtj4RbvXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAlQuqzl8o&feature=share&list=UUmKurapML4BF9Bjtj4RbvXw)
OH MY GOSH THIS IS HILARIOUS!!
It was pretty funny. ;D
"I will start Cello lessons now."...............
WHOOHAHAHAHOO!
I'm glad that you could get it embedded! I couldn't figure out how ???
I'm glad that you guys like it!
And I listened to them at the end...the Piano Guys do rule my life now! :D
Lol, Darth playing the accordion... :P :D
I have always loved watching that video...
Road a star wars 3D ride at Disneyland in Florida, it was amazing... (well, I road it about 10 times) ;D
http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/star-tours/
And a few just for laughs... ;D
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on October 26, 2012, 12:12:37 AM
Lol, Darth playing the accordion... :P :D
I know right! Best part of the vid! That video has interestedme in Cellos.... LOL!
That'z nae the chancellor! That'z a zith lord!
And the Sith rule the Galaxy.
Yeah, thanks for keeping my seat warm.
You're not making sense.
Tha'z the bezt kind o' zenze, eh?
Very true.
So. Obi-wan Kenobi. Hes pretty cool, right?
Star Wars Episode VII coming 2015!!!! Why? Because Walt Disney bought Lucas Film! And no, I am not making it up, you can read about it here:
http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd
Wot happened tae:
Quote"There will be no more Star Wars movies."
eh?
Ah think someone'z gettin' old. Hiz memory seemz tae 'ave gone. Either tha' or someone used a jedi mind trick...
Quote from: SaberTruth on October 31, 2012, 12:41:24 AM
Star Wars Episode VII coming 2015!!!! Why? Because Walt Disney bought Lucas Film! And no, I am not making it up, you can read about it here:
http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd
I heard that on the news last night... The rights part anyway.
It was Walt Disney's web site that claimed they were going to have another star wars in 2015. It is mentioned under the link I posted.
does anyone have aura sing the comic book.
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Not that I'm really excited to see Mickey's head blow up now. ;)
she is a bounty hunter in episode one she had a small part during the pod racing scene. then they made a comic about her.
She was trained by dark woman. Rouge jedi. I thik shes cool
At least we're getting a new SW movie. Hope Disney doesn't mess up. they did pretty good with Marvel's 'Avengers' though.
Better not mess up leia! Or han solo. Or luke-no, wait hes already a bad character.
Zae, what'z the new movie aboot?
All the political upheaval after the death star was bown up. There are books about it.
Quote from: PrimroseWarrior on November 02, 2012, 11:54:16 PM
Better not mess up leia! Or han solo. Or luke-no, wait hes already a bad character.
Luke is an amazing character, Prim. Just because some people can't recognize a great coming-of-manhood story when they see one doesn't mean the main character is bad.
I think she meant the actor, and not the actual character. ;)
I am female! Utreekov!
Oops, sorry. I am still new hear and still need to meet people. So, it is edited.
Oh, cool. So, whos your favorite sith?
Darth Maul
did you knowdisney bought lucas films for episode seven
realsed date 2015
Please don't remind me.
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Quote from: blindsimeonjtp on November 03, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
did you knowdisney bought lucas films for episode seven
realsed date 2015
Why did they have to go and do that? Seriously... I like the original movies that Disney makes, but not when they go and do this.
Well, look on the bright side. There might be a possibility of another Battlefront coming out.
Why iz it goin' tae take zaeo long tae get the movie oot?
Maybe there having trouble getting people who look like the original cast?
Quote from: SaberTruth on November 03, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
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I could shoot you. That is so mean. Why are picking on me? *Curls up into a ball and starts crying*
KICK HIM WHILE HES DOWN!!!!!
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 03, 2012, 11:57:50 PM
Why iz it goin' tae take zaeo long tae get the movie oot?
I don't think they even have a script yet. Movies take time to make, especially effects-heavy ones like Star Wars.
I'm not really sure how I feel about this whole thing. I'm all for merchandise of Mickey Mouse dressed up as Star Wars characters, I love that sort of stuff, but I can't help but be apprehensive about the new movies. I hope I'm wrong, I'd love for the new stuff to be great, but given the recent track-record...
Well, about the recent track-record: Disney released the Avengers. On the other hand, they also released the Princess and the Frog. So...
Quote from: AxeHound on November 04, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
Well, about the recent track-record: Disney released the Avengers. On the other hand, they also released the Princess and the Frog. So...
Hey! The Princess and the Frog was a children's animation! That reflects nothing about their other movie styles!
Okay. J.R.R. Tolkien hated Disney. How's that?
Quote from: AxeHound on November 04, 2012, 11:15:44 PM
Okay. J.R.R. Tolkien hated Disney. How's that?
Well, that would have been the old Disney. I don't care for the really old stuff from them either.
Quote from: AxeHound on November 04, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
Well, about the recent track-record: Disney released the Avengers. On the other hand, they also released the Princess and the Frog. So...
I was more talking about the Star Wars track record. I haven't liked the way the franchise was going since
Vector Prime was released back when I was in school. I loved
The Avengers, and I love Disney. :)
I (Tam) love Starwars!!!!!!! My sister Martin doesn't though.
Martins a girl!?!?! whats tam?
Quote from: Lily on November 05, 2012, 12:31:40 AM
Quote from: AxeHound on November 04, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
Well, about the recent track-record: Disney released the Avengers. On the other hand, they also released the Princess and the Frog. So...
I was more talking about the Star Wars track record. I haven't liked the way the franchise was going since Vector Prime was released back when I was in school. I loved The Avengers, and I love Disney. :)
The Avengers was incredible. However, they got it wrong a lot (Thor anyone?) before they got it right.
What was the matter with thor? of course, Ironman is SO much better...
The movie Thor was awful. Whatever. The Sith shall rule!
I like starwars. I prefer the older ones though. its so sad about anakin.
anakin is an di'kut.
And he brought the force back into balance...
for say, zix monthz?...
:D
Honeztly, the whole "chozen one to bring balance to the force" an' "there are only ever two zith at a time, no more nae lezz" are juzt ridiculouz! From Epizode I to Epizode VI there are conztant intervalz where there are more than one zith (for example, the current ztatuz o' the Clone Wars) an' like I zaid in me previouz pozt, Anakin brought the force back into balance for a zmall amount of time; and then after (I think about 10 years) there were Lumiya (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lumiya) and Flint (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flint), and then otherz; which includez the Emperor comin' back to life, and Luke becomin' his apprentice...
The whole "Two Sith" thing is known as the Rule of Two. Sith break rules.
Quote from: AxeHound on November 09, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
The whole "Two Sith" thing is known as the Rule of Two. Sith break rules.
I agree. lol
By the way, I was doing some research and it appears that episode 7-9 are based on some ideas that Lucas already had.
oh, well that makes it better.
Honestly, I think that the Rule of Two is more realistic than the Reborn Emperor. I like my dead guys to stay dead, thank you.
thats amasing, considering what movie we like.
Any one interested in joining me in Star Wars The Old Republic on Thursday for the launch of their "Free To Play" up to level 50?
Ah've noticed tha' Star Warz haz a knack for bringin' people back from the dead.
just in force ghosts, mostly.
Not zae. Juzt read Red Dawn.
OK. and what does zae mean?
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Na' ye ken?
you guys should check out the star wars "Spec Ops" role-play enrollment in the cellars ;D
Did. Im totally in.
Yea, clear. Clear as mud.
the star wars darkside roleplay is up and the lightside one will be up soon
there coming out with episode 7
yeah i heard about that and disney bought star wars so princess leia is now a freakin disney princess apparently
Disney Princess Leia:
I think the whole thing about Princess Leia being a Disney Princess is just an internet joke at the moment. She won't be officially inducted into the franchise. ;)
Honestly I don't mind if Disney does the final Star Wars movie. As long as there's still a lot of action in it, and if it has a good cast, it shouldn't be a problem.
What Disney is making an EPISODE 7 I think that Disney will NOT make a good Star Wars
i aggree with you 100% i heard taht the original plan that um......................GOERGE LUCAS!! had isnt being used and disney is coming up with their own story line
That's odd, I saw a video interview with George Lucas where he said that Disney will be using some of his ideas for Episodes 7-9.
I don't mind... Just as long as there's action.
Quote from: SaberTruth on December 07, 2012, 02:22:08 AM
That's odd, I saw a video interview with George Lucas where he said that Disney will be using some of his ideas for Episodes 7-9.
hmmm well i may be wrong if u got it from a video i got mine from a semi trustable sight to i dont know
I'm not much of a fan of the Star Wars series, but you gotta admit that this is probably gonna be funny. I mean, Princess Leia is the new Disney princess! Haha, you see all of the princesses in their dresses and looking all cheerful, then you see Princess Leia with her gun...
It'll either be awful, or great.
princess leia's a disney princess
Hey, I goton this site, (LucasFilm asked me to join!!!!) called obi want to know me. theres survey and forums and they could use one of my ideas for the SW movies or tv show!!! how great it that!!!!
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on December 07, 2012, 02:25:19 AM
I don't mind... Just as long as there's action.
:D I like the sound of that.... almost ......
Quote from: PrimroseWarrior on January 17, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
Hey, I goton this site, (LucasFilm asked me to join!!!!) called obi want to know me. theres survey and forums and they could use one of my ideas for the SW movies or tv show!!! how great it that!!!!
nice sounds cool
exept nothings up yet just a bunch of surveys.
Found this today at: http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2013/01/15/planet-earth-abandons-death-star-project-in-face-of-superior-galactic-imperial-power/
Planet Earth Abandons Death Star Project In Face Of Superior Galactic Imperial Power
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IMPERIAL CENTER, CORUSCANT – The overwhelming military superiority of the Galactic Empire has been confirmed once again by the recent announcement by the President of the United States that his nation would not attempt to build a Death Star, despite the bellicose demands of the people of his tiny, aggressive planet. "It is doubtless that such a technological terror in the hands of so primitive a world would be used to upset the peace and sanctity of the citizens of the Galactic Empire," said Governor Wilhuff Tarkin of the Outer Rim Territories. "Such destructive power can only be wielded to protect and defend by so enlightened a leader as Emperor Palpatine."
Representatives on behalf of the nation-state leader from the unimaginatively named planet refused to acknowledge the obvious cowardice of their choice, preferring instead to attribute the decision to fiscal responsibility. "The costs of construction they cited were ridiculously overestimated, though I suppose we must keep in mind that this miniscule planet does not have our massive means of production," added Admiral Conan Motti of the Imperial Starfleet.
Emissaries of the Emperor also caution any seditious elements within the Galactic Senate not to believe Earth's exaggerated claims of there being a weakness in the Death Star design. "Any attacks made upon such a station — should one ever be built — would be a useless gesture," added Motti.
I hear that they are making a seventh movie of Star Wars
yup. I hope they dont ruin SW.
Star Wars Is Being Kick-Started with Dynamite J.J. Abrams to Direct Star Wars: Episode VII (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-is-being-kick-started-with-dynamite-jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii.html)
My first reaction was "Whaaaaaaaaaat?" but now I'm actually pretty excited about this. I'm not even a fan of Star Trek and I liked his reboot a few years ago.
Also, someone made a trailer of what the original Star Wars movies would be like if they were directed by J.J. Abrams. They left out a whole bunch of lens flares, though.
very, explotion-y
Haha, "What's a Gungan and why don't they have, what's the word, friiiiiends?"
That was brilliant!
A Gungan is a frog like character I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEE Jarjar Binks
Oh you can find episode 1 and two on youtube anybody want the links
episode 7 8 9 is coming out
When?
7 is coming out in 2015 8th I don't know 9th especially don't know! I think they mightmake it like clone wars because can you see a sixty year old Han Solo walking around the stage saying in an old tone and a cane ''may the force be withhh yyou''. They could just blot out Han?
Teaser for Episode 7 released today!
Will those who decried the effort say they like this preview? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE&feature=youtu.be
THAT SAS THE COOLEST TRAILER THIS YEAR I AM SO EXCITED I LITERALLY WAS SAY "AW YEAH!!!!!" WHEN I SAW THE FALCON!!!!!!!!!!
I've never been against the re-boot, I've been very hopeful of a good job. It appears I may be getting my wish :D. I felt a little, "meh," until I saw the X-wing scene..... Now THAT was cool! Can't wait to see it next year, though my excitement over KFP 3 may run it down a little. ;)
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Am I the only one who thinks the orange droid looks like a soccer ball?
Am I the only one who thinks the weird lightsaber somehow looks less realistic than the lightsabers from the OT?
I don't see why you would even want little lightsabers branching off from the main one. Seems like it would be easy to cut your hand on it :P
It's supposed to function as a crossguard I suppose
Some journalist pointed out, though, that it'd be better to have an actual crossguard right below the secondary blade emitters.
The two blades, anyway, don't look like they would be a very good crossguard; there's a little bit of room in between the "crossguard" blades and the main blade, so that you could strike between them and ruin it. And having extra lightsaber blades adds all kind of new ways to cut yourself. I'm not sure why the guy didn't just use a deflector shield, like the ones on the droidekas.
It would be nice if they didn't mess these films up, but I'm not holding my breath. The new Star Trek films, from what I've seen of them, managed to totally miss the point of Star Trek, while trampling on TOS, so I'm not sure that these will be much better. People like to bash Lucas, but I think they'll realize how much they miss him running the show after the first of the new trilogy is out.
Quote from: Izeroth on November 29, 2014, 06:28:03 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the orange droid looks like a soccer ball?
No.
As far as the lightsaber goes, I think they may have made it to be a crossbar, or maybe just to make it cool.
In my opinion, they failed if it was the latter
The lightsaber may not be the most practical but I like it better than the double ended blade.
Quote from: James Gryphon on November 29, 2014, 07:31:22 PM
Some journalist pointed out, though, that it'd be better to have an actual crossguard right below the secondary blade emitters.
The two blades, anyway, don't look like they would be a very good crossguard; there's a little bit of room in between the "crossguard" blades and the main blade, so that you could strike between them and ruin it. And having extra lightsaber blades adds all kind of new ways to cut yourself. I'm not sure why the guy didn't just use a deflector shield, like the ones on the droidekas.
It would be nice if they didn't mess these films up, but I'm not holding my breath. The new Star Trek films, from what I've seen of them, managed to totally miss the point of Star Trek, while trampling on TOS, so I'm not sure that these will be much better. People like to bash Lucas, but I think they'll realize how much they miss him running the show after the first of the new trilogy is out.
The first new ST film is bad. It completely misses the point of Star Trek. The second one doesn't, though, it has lots of awesome parallels with Wrath of Khan and... It's pretty cool. It's more action than it is other stuff, but still, it's pretty good.
Im really excited about this, though I'm not expecting a home run. In the past two trilogy's, the first movie was never the best. In my opinion, the best are ranked as follows:
VI Return of the Jedi
III Revenge of the Sith
V Empire Strikes back
IV New Hope
I Phantom Menance
II Attack of the Clones
Only Darth Maul can lift episode one over episode two.
I'm hoping this new movie will be really good, but I want episode 8,9 to be even better.
Oh boy... Don't get me started on this. The lightsaber looks ridiculous. And I really don't think it would be helpful.
The droid is a soccer ball.
I wouldn't fly X-wings that close to water, either. It looks dangerous.
My main fear is that they turn Star Wars into a sci-fi psuedo-horror thing, instead of the epic fantasy it was originally. It was already heading that way with Episode III. :P
Well, one could say it's dangerous to fly x wings into the death star. But that worked out well.
Yeah... But flying them next to water is just stupid. There is difference.
Hey, look at me! I'm flying next to water and I'm fine! *gets eaten by alien water monster*
Okay, you seriously dissing the epic water shot? What if they're trying to avoid being seen or detected by ground-based radar? What if they're lining up for a shot? You don't know what they're doing! And besides, where's the danger? Luke's X-wing sat in swamp water for a long time, but worked just fine.
Revenge of the Sith was supposed to be dark, it featured one of the most powerful Jedi alive at the time turning to the dark side, and the majority of the Republic being brought to it's knees in a single attack.
Soccer's awesome! Why not have a droid look like a ball. :P There's nothing wrong with that.
Seriously, why do so many people have to scream gloom & doom at Star Wars VII just because it's being made by Disney?
Some people are just pessimistic and I think they subconsciously want it to fail
I don't want it to fail, but I don't have my hopes set too high
I also don't understand the prequel hate
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 01, 2014, 11:00:50 PM
Some people are just pessimistic and I think they subconsciously want it to fail
I don't want it to fail, but I don't have my hopes set too high
I also don't understand the prequel hate
Indeed.
I'm not so much setting my hopes low or mediocre so much as being willing to accept the fact that it could very well fall short of what I am hoping for.
You mean why so many people hate episodes I-III? If so, I'm totally in the same boat, I very much Enjoyed the first two, and the third wasn't bad, it just wasn't as much to my taste.
I don't think the prequels were the most wonderful thing ever, but I don't think they're nearly as bad as everyone seems to think they are. I would have removed a few things (Jar Jar), but don't try to tell me that the originals were flawless (Ewoks).
As far as the upcoming movies go, I don't think they're going to be that bad. Yes, they will undoubtably mess something up, but I don't think that they'll be the train wreck everyone is predicting.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 01, 2014, 08:04:48 PM
Oh boy... Don't get me started on this. The lightsaber looks ridiculous. And I really don't think it would be helpful.
The droid is a soccer ball.
I wouldn't fly X-wings that close to water, either. It looks dangerous.
My main fear is that they turn Star Wars into a sci-fi psuedo-horror thing, instead of the epic fantasy it was originally. It was already heading that way with Episode III. :P
My thoughts are that J.J Abrams loves mystery,suspense, And a lot more, In that way keeping the trailer opened to a lot of different thoughts and ideas of what the movie will turn out like in the end! But still I'm not a big fan of the trailer :P
Quote from: danflorreguba on December 01, 2014, 10:58:52 PM
Okay, you seriously dissing the epic water shot? What if they're trying to avoid being seen or detected by ground-based radar? What if they're lining up for a shot? You don't know what they're doing! And besides, where's the danger? Luke's X-wing sat in swamp water for a long time, but worked just fine.
Revenge of the Sith was supposed to be dark, it featured one of the most powerful Jedi alive at the time turning to the dark side, and the majority of the Republic being brought to it's knees in a single attack.
Soccer's awesome! Why not have a droid look like a ball. :P There's nothing wrong with that.
Seriously, why do so many people have to scream gloom & doom at Star Wars VII just because it's being made by Disney?
Finally! Someone who understands! No one does IRL!
As for avoiding detection, well, that's something else, but generally different types of ships are used for very low level assaults. Anyways, at the speed the X-wings were flying impacting water would be like hitting cement...
As for darkness, it's not my thing. I don't want to watch a movie to feel depressed or horrified etc.
The droid jsut looks silly. Where is the functionality in that?
I wouldn't be happy with Lucas making the sequels. I didn't even like how he handled the prequels! Honestly, I didn't think they added that much. All we got from them was clones and Darth Maul. And a severely annoying bratty spoiled Anakin as a Jedi Knight.
Anakin was pretty bratty, I wil admit :p But you have to remember, his brain was corrupted by the dark side.
These guys fly in and out of hangars daily..... I doubt flying a couple of feet above water is going to present them much danger, also, they may not have had a choice of vehicle. Still epic :P
It doesn't have to be your thing, it has to be logical. Episode III was logical, they'd been building up to that with Episode II and kind of in I, what were they supposed to do? Make Anakin's turn to the dark side all sunshine & rainbows? ::)
High maneuverability? There are a lot of things that don't make sense, don't diss one droid just because he was in a trailer for a movie that everyone wants to be bad. :P
Bratty? Maybe, spoiled? Absolutely not. This kid was a slave for crying out loud! Obi-Wan trained him semi-reluctantly. A lot of people had negative notions of him. He had quite a lot to overcome! One of those things being his pride.
Ohhhhhhh!! Episode 7 trailer!
OK, but generally, you try not to take unnessesary risks, regardless of how "good" you are.
The droid? All I'm saying is it's silly.
Look, the whole movie was all darkness and death and evilness. It didn't have to be sunshine and rainbows, but, I mean, at least do the whole Captain America thing where everybody dies but in a heroic way fighting for liberty or whatnot. Not getting shot in the back. When you have ultra force-powers that should let you avoid it...
As for spoiled, well, anybody but the "Chosen One" would have been kicked out of the Jedi Order long before.
That "Chosen One" thing was stupid. That's gotta be the most worn out phrase for someone special. But everything I see Obi Wan leave Anakin on fire, it just gets me right there.
Just cut off his head and be done with it! Save a lot of trouble... ;D
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 03, 2014, 10:25:27 PM
Just cut off his head and be done with it! Save a lot of trouble... ;D
Bad idea, Vader was the one that killed the Emperor. He caused a lot of trouble, but the trouble would've happened without him, and he was the reason Luke lived.
The Jedi knew nothing of order 66, the clones responded immediately. Since Jedi are honorable, they lead from the front, which made them easy targets. Yoda had time because the officer that went after him was alone, and received his orders a decent amount of time before he had a chance to go after the sage.
They may not go about taking unnecessary risks, but we still don't know how, "unnecessary," their low flight was.
I disagree on your point that it would've happened without Anakin. If Anakin hadn't been there, Mace Windu could've executed Palpatine and saved the Republic.
Quote from: Izeroth on December 04, 2014, 03:26:20 AM
I disagree on your point that it would've happened without Anakin. If Anakin hadn't been there, Mace Windu could've executed Palpatine and saved the Republic.
That already happened. ::) Anakin didn't fight Obi-Wan until after Mace Windu was killed. If the Masters had succeeded, then Order 66 would've failed in it's entirety wouldn't it? I'm pretty sure that was before Order 66 was executed (quite literally).
I was kind of talking about Anakin in general, not necessarily the Obi-wan/Anakin scene.
Any jar jar binks lover needs to be... words do not describe my loathing.
I thought I could tolerate Jar Jar, then I saw the movie again and put my foot down. Can't stand that little Gungian.
What do people have against Jar Jar!? Now, don't get me wrong, he wasn't awesome by any means, but you can not tell me that you never laughed at him.... If you do, you're either a liar, or soulless. :P ::) Admittedly, a lot of his gags were predictable stupidity jokes, but that still doesn't change anything.
I forgot how much we covered the cross-guard lightsaber, but I gotta say I've heard so many opinions it's just.... I can't... I'm not finishing that phrase. But yeah, great idea, executed improperly. I might've said this before, but the only reason it isn't viable is the fact that the emitters for the side blades have emission sticks (my random name for those little metal thingies that stick out of the side to produce the blade). They could be cut off, the only metal on that part should be below the emission only, not above... Am I making sense?
Has anybody read How star wars conquered the galaxy? by chris taylor? You'd be surprised how... poch jar jar was in the first draft of Phantom Menace.
Quote from: danflorreguba on December 22, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
I forgot how much we covered the cross-guard lightsaber, but I gotta say I've heard so many opinions it's just.... I can't... I'm not finishing that phrase. But yeah, great idea, executed improperly. I might've said this before, but the only reason it isn't viable is the fact that the emitters for the side blades have emission sticks (my random name for those little metal thingies that stick out of the side to produce the blade). They could be cut off, the only metal on that part should be below the emission only, not above... Am I making sense?
I would recommend watching a video done by Skallagrim on the matter.
In case anyone didn't look it up, I'll sum it up.
The original lightsabers had absolutely no protection for the hand; it seems like an easy weakness for anyone fighting would be to simply slide their blade down their opponent's and buzz off their fingers. Even though it's a bit obvious that there is metal between the protective blades and the handle, at least it's more protection than nothing.
Of course, if you really want to go and be all "It's just as well if they didn't have any protection at all if it's going to have a weakness like that", I don't see why the metal it is made of can't be a lightsaber-resistant metal. There is an entire list of metals that can stop the lightsaber blade, and it would be worth it to invest in such metals for some possibly necessary protection.
As for the guard being made of the same stuff that can cut through a body effortlessly, yes that seems a bit far-fetched. It would make more sense to have a cross-guard made of saber-stopping metal.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608022878222221670&pid=15.1&H=106&W=160)
It doesn't have to be very big to save your hand.
Last thing to remember is that this is Disney, Hollywood: Do you think they would have a sensible black cross-guard in their trailer, or some flashing lights that shock people because it's new and unexpected?
All I can say is..... CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE!!
Who else is practically jumping off walls with excitement!?!? :D :D
Quote from: The Skarzs on December 22, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on December 22, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
I forgot how much we covered the cross-guard lightsaber, but I gotta say I've heard so many opinions it's just.... I can't... I'm not finishing that phrase. But yeah, great idea, executed improperly. I might've said this before, but the only reason it isn't viable is the fact that the emitters for the side blades have emission sticks (my random name for those little metal thingies that stick out of the side to produce the blade). They could be cut off, the only metal on that part should be below the emission only, not above... Am I making sense?
I would recommend watching a video done by Skallagrim on the matter.
In case anyone was too lazy to look it up, I'll sum it up.
The original lightsabers had absolutely no protection for the hand; it seems like an easy weakness for anyone fighting would be to simply slide their blade down their opponent's and buzz off their fingers. Even though it's a bit obvious that there is metal between the protective blades and the handle, at least it's more protection than nothing.
Of course, if you really want to go and be all "It's just as well if they didn't have any protection at all if it's going to have a weakness like that", I don't see why the metal it is made of can't be a lightsaber-resistant metal. There is an entire list of metals that can stop the lightsaber blade, and it would be worth it to invest in such metals for some possibly necessary protection.
As for the guard being made of the same stuff that can cut through a body effortlessly, yes that seems a bit far-fetched. It would make more sense to have a cross-guard made of saber-stopping metal.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608022878222221670&pid=15.1&H=106&W=160)
It doesn't have to be very big to save your hand.
Last thing to remember is that this is Disney, Hollywood: Do you think they would have a sensible black cross-guard in their trailer, or some flashing lights that shock people because it's new and unexpected?
Okay, first off, don't use derogatory words like "lazy" to describe other people, especially when you write a post that makes it sound like you're angry at someone because you honestly sound like you're upset right now (calling people lazy, sarcastic implications of a contenders response, uncalled for company insult). I'm trying really hard not to get riled..... Not to mention, all you posted was a name and doc type, we've got no address, doesn't that technically make
you the lazy one? ::)
Anyway, it's very possible that the metal emissions could be made out of vibro or some such other material and that's not something I considered (especially since the lightsaber eventually cuts through most of those anyway... except for vibro as before mentioned, I've yet to see that material cut through). But that would be a potential waste of material if the energy source for another way to stop (possibly more effectively) is already there, the only thing needed is a firm way to grip the handle without risking touching them which is why I recommended having a metal underside. Traditionally, Jedi and Sith use lightsabers, so it'd make sense for them to stick with that than to invest in something foreign... And they could possibly be used as a weapon even, whereas a metal cross guard could not. I'm not saying it's not possible, but all things considered, wouldn't it just make more sense this way?
Well excuse me for having you take insult at a simple poke in fun that I did not mean seriously. If I could post a link I would have. Please refrain from assuming my intentions, or just bite your tongue.
You do not know me when I am angry, and that previous post was definitely not me being upset in the least; I was trying to relay information that I though logical.
Now, it might not necessarily make more sense to have sabers form the guard because I'm pretty sure it requires a semi-lengthy tube to make the saber work properly, and basically sticking two mini-lightsabers to the handle opposite each other just doesn't make much sense to me. It's not like having something be a defense and offense is a bad idea; I think that would be a great advantage one could use, and it might be worth the effort of making a safe saber-blade guard. However. . . Wouldn't a guard itself be foreign enough? I mean, if one were to go so away from the orthodox to make a guard at all, making a guard out of blade would be just as alien as making it out of metal.
And you still sound angry! If you're not upset, than why are you highlighting sarcasm that's obviously not appreciated? Why on earth can't you post a link? If you can't post a link, that's another reason why you've got no right to call people lazy, that's just rude! Also, telling someone to bite their tongue is essentially the same as saying, "shut up your stupid." in the context you're using it in. If you want to relay information, than great! I'd absolutely love to hear it! But kindly do us a favor and don't word it in such a way that makes it sound like you're trying to shove something in someone else's face. I want to have a conversation about a simple thing, but if it's just going to be an argument than what's the point?
As far as the cross guard being foreign goes, I heard from someone who read the books that they actually used to be fairly common, or at least not un-heard of. The reason a lightsaber is a long tube is because it has to house the technology to emit the blade, the tech is already there, so in theory, those extra tubes aren't necessary. I don't claim to be an expert on any of this, not at all, this is just my take on my observations.
Who's to say this is the "new" lightsaber? This may be a one-person thing. Darth Maul had a double sided one, but not everyone did. Plus, at the end of the teaser, if you listen closely, you hear a lightsaber turned on. Its the classic "swoosh" of the one-bladed, no cross gaurd lightsabers. But when it shows the Sith lord's one, it makes the initial "swoosh", then a second sound when the cross guard is turned on. So maybe this is a unique lightsaber.
Chill, y'all.
Vibroblades were just ordinary blades that were rapidly vibrated to increase their damage; they wouldn't be lightsaber-resistant unless the materials they were made from were lightsaber resistant.
There were several of those, although since the EU has recently been de-canonized, I'm not sure how much of that is still "real". That said, though, the EU had at least two resistant materials that I know of, cortosis and phrik.
Pure cortosis was not only lightsaber-resistant, but could actually short out lightsabers, but had the disadvantage of being brittle and much less durable than other metals. You could make a cortosis/durasteel alloy or something else, which would make it stronger and retain the lightsaber resistance, but at the expense of not being able to short the lightsaber out. Phrik was not only lightsaber resistant but durable in other aspects as well. I believe General Grievous' bodyguards were said to have had phrik electrostaves.
Now that the EU has been decanonized, I'm not sure whether cortosis still exists. Phrik might, since I think it was invented for the prequel trilogy. If so, then the lightsaber could have a phrik covering, which would give the user's hand some protection from other people's lightsabers (of course, he'd still be in danger from his own, thanks to not having any protection for his hands against his 'crossguard' ;)).
It might be a moot point, though, because there's a theory that the normal lightsaber might not be as vulnerable as you'd think -- some people say that their blades "lock" together on contact. If that's true, then you couldn't necessarily just slide your lightsaber down the length of your opponent's blade and chop their weapon or hand apart. The crossguard might be intended for use as a weapon in case of these kinds of locks.
Of course, the real reason why it exists is because of "three blades". After all: in the first of the prequels, there was a guy who had a double-bladed lightsaber. In the second one, somebody fights with two lightsabers. In the third there's a guy that uses four of them at once. So, obviously there needs to be a lightsaber with three blades in the new trilogy.
With the Eu being de-canonized, I wonder if Boba Fett is still alive?
Quote from: Izeroth on December 23, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
With the Eu being de-canonized, I wonder if Boba Fett is still alive?
My cousin read a book on Fett that said he actually lived anyway. Since the acid in the (was that the Sarlaac? I'm not sure) was so weak, he was able to blast his way back out.
Quote from: danflorreguba on December 23, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: Izeroth on December 23, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
With the Eu being de-canonized, I wonder if Boba Fett is still alive?
My cousin read a book on Fett that said he actually lived anyway. Since the acid in the (was that the Sarlaac? I'm not sure) was so weak, he was able to blast his way back out.
That's what I was talking about. I was wondering if te books that said he lived are still lore.
did anyone see star wars rebels on tv ?
Quote from: James Gryphon on December 23, 2014, 01:11:40 PM
Chill, y'all.
Vibroblades were just ordinary blades that were rapidly vibrated to increase their damage; they wouldn't be lightsaber-resistant unless the materials they were made from were lightsaber resistant.
There were several of those, although since the EU has recently been de-canonized, I'm not sure how much of that is still "real". That said, though, the EU had at least two resistant materials that I know of, cortosis and phrik.
Pure cortosis was not only lightsaber-resistant, but could actually short out lightsabers, but had the disadvantage of being brittle and much less durable than other metals. You could make a cortosis/durasteel alloy or something else, which would make it stronger and retain the lightsaber resistance, but at the expense of not being able to short the lightsaber out. Phrik was not only lightsaber resistant but durable in other aspects as well. I believe General Grievous' bodyguards were said to have had phrik electrostaves.
Now that the EU has been decanonized, I'm not sure whether cortosis still exists. Phrik might, since I think it was invented for the prequel trilogy. If so, then the lightsaber could have a phrik covering, which would give the user's hand some protection from other people's lightsabers (of course, he'd still be in danger from his own, thanks to not having any protection for his hands against his 'crossguard' ;)).
It might be a moot point, though, because there's a theory that the normal lightsaber might not be as vulnerable as you'd think -- some people say that their blades "lock" together on contact. If that's true, then you couldn't necessarily just slide your lightsaber down the length of your opponent's blade and chop their weapon or hand apart. The crossguard might be intended for use as a weapon in case of these kinds of locks.
Of course, the real reason why it exists is because of "three blades". After all: in the first of the prequels, there was a guy who had a double-bladed lightsaber. In the second one, somebody fights with two lightsabers. In the third there's a guy that uses four of them at once. So, obviously there needs to be a lightsaber with three blades in the new trilogy.
If we're talking about lightsaber resistant metal, what about beskar'gam? It would be a bit of a trick getting it, as the Mandalorians don't sell it... But this is a Sith lord, so I'm assuming he can get what he wants.
Forgive my ignorance, but why is it so bad to be a Sith? Isn't it just a side of the force that is used that derives that, or can you be a Force user without being either a Jedi or Sith? :P
You can be a force user who is neither jedi or sith
The thing that is bad about sith is that the jedi are afraid to use techniques that they consider evil and give into darker emotions lest they never rise out of them, the sith have no such fear
I see. So a Sith might potentially be more powerful than a Jedi. Maybe.
Wasn't the guy from Force Unleashed neither Sith nor Jedi?
Sith Lords are more powerful than most Jedi. Only ones like Mace Windu and Yoda are strong enough with the force to fight them 1 on 1. Obi Wan can. Darth Sidous was surely the most powerful with from the movie saga, and only Yoda could really go toe to toe with him. But, there are only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice. So it balances out.
Mace Windo?
I've found the two codes to touch on the two extremes in rather annoying ways. The Jedi believe in peace, but they suppress passion. Passion is a good thing, it's a drive for your goals that cannot be emulated by anything else as it is the single strongest motivation a human can obtain seeing as it is emotional. The problem with the Sith is that they take it too far, and live off of anger instead of consuming it. So personally, I don't like either, it's just that the Jedi are seemingly always on the just side which forces me (no pun intended, seriously) to support them.
I don't doubt that there are any good Sith out there, nor do I doubt the existence of evil Jedi. I'm reasonably sure that the sith species were the first beings to think of using the force as a weapon
Mace was more powerful then Sidous and Yoda, Yoda was much older and wiser and probably stronger in the force, however Yoda was unable to defeat Sidous whereas Mace was.
Windu was specifically known for prowess with the lightsaber, and using a 7th style, Vaapad. The only reason that he could defeat Sidious is because of his lightsaber prowess.
He was also known for having destroyed an entire battalion of droids with his bare hands
*shrugs* fine. But my point still stands. Oh yeah. That's a battalion of roids and a siesmic tank.
Ah but he still won while Yoda did not...
Just because you beat someone in a game of chess, or poker, or any other game at all doesn't mean you're better than they are. You might have just been lucky, they might have gone easy on you, your opponent may have made a critical error, you may have fluked an amazing play... There are too many variables for a battle to be any kind of objective comparison.
(I wouldn't actually know who is more powerful. But the above is true.)
Agreed. It is the many variables of battle that actually decide the outcome. On the other hand... Yoda lost because he had to relenquish the stand-off. Otherwise... well,, let's just leave it at that.
He had a lightsaber to deal with the tank. Also, when fighting Darth Sidious, he had the help of Kit Fisto and two other Jedi at the start. And Yoda didn't lose.... Who sticks around a place that is likely crawling with things that want to kill while fighting their most potent weapon. I don't remember the specifics of the fight, but if Yoda and Sidious went toe-to-toe in some random location where neither had the advantage, my money'd be on Yoda. Also, what Rus said :P.
Yes but Sidious dispatched Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin very quickly, the only person other than Windu to give him trouble was Fisto which I find surprising as Tiin is supposed to be a master of lightsaber combat. I've never really cared about Kolar so I don't know his capabilities but it seems unrealistic that he would also die so easily
It makes sense that Sidious won the fight, but I think it should have gone on longer than it did. These are trained masters, and Sidious can just kill them instantly? Though, you do have to remember that Sidious had the element of surprise. The Jedi might not have been expecting Sidious to be as good as he was.
I think Windu could have beat Sidious if Anakin hadn't interfered.
Windu did beat Sidious, and he was about to execute him when Anakin interfered.
Quote from: Izeroth on January 09, 2015, 10:11:44 PM
Windu did beat Sidious, and he was about to execute him when Anakin interfered.
What he said, to add though, Windu kicked Sidious's butt. There was no contest, Sidious ran back to his "I'ma shoot lightnin' everywhere!" tactic, and Windu just blew him off. Anakin is the sole reason that turnabout happened...... Quick question, if Darth Maul gets to survive a drop into forever after being cut in half.... How come Windu doesn't get to live from a cut off arm and a much lesser fall?...
saved by the cries of millions of fanboys....
Because Darth Maul is awesomer.
Just kidding. Good question though...
Okay so I just read Son of Dathomir and while Talzin was having her lightning duel against Sidious I was yelling at Maul to go up and stab Sidious right in his back, MAUL COULD HAVE ENDED THE CLONE WARS AND PUT A STOP TO THE EMPIRE! Anyway that comic made Maul a lot more likable as a character (and Sidious a lot more hateable).
How many times in fiction do bad guys steal other people's children and raise them for their own purposes?
Oh and Maul can hold his own in a fight against Windu and Aayla Secura, that's awesome
I'm very annoyed they chose to cancel Clone Wars when they did, Disney were like "Yes we could have some interesting story arcs including another one of those things that was used to build the Death Star, a meeting between Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress and a fight between Darth Maul, General Greivous, Count Dooku, Darth Sidious and Mother Talzin but listen, we have to have REBELS! Everyone loves a good rebel"
THEY CHOSE REBELS OVER WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST EPIC DUEL IN STAR WARS HISTORY
I kind of enjoy Rebels, but I agree, the Clone Wars was done better, and the animation was more preferable. Anyone know/remember what the purple lightsaber is attributed too? I'm having a brain fart right now. Blue denoted saber prowess, green was force capability, red was sith, yellow was Sentinel, but I can't remember what purple white and orange were. I also fail to see how an apprentice would be capable of fighting either Mace or Aayla, they were a couple of the most powerful masters, or at least Windu was, I'm not sure how strong Aayla was (I'm kinda biased towards her because I love the Twi'lek race because they're all awesome) in comparison to others. Now don't get me wrong, Maul was strong, but he WAS defeated by a padawan (granted, it was Obi-Won Kenobi, but even so). Also, I doubt he was ever as strong as he was in episode 1 after he lost his real legs. Again, nothing against Maul, he's an interesting character, but I just don't see him taking Jedi masters.
I still haven't seen Rebels. But I did see the Clone Wars, all the seasons, including the Nextflix one. That one was the best I think.
I wasn't aware that the colour of your lightsaber meant anything. Does the force guide the younglings to choose their appropriate crystal? Wait, in that episode of Clone Wars, wasn't it said that each youngling was guided to one specific crystal?
I think Maul's fighting prowess came from when Mother Talzin used her magick to clear his mind and build him his new legs, after she did it to Savage he was a lot more powerful, the same could be true of Maul.
I still haven't seen Rebels but I do intend to, personally I'm more interested in the Clone Wars as an era than the Galactic Civil War
I didn't know about that either. (I didn't read all his post). I looked it up, and Wookiepedia didn't have a clear definition. But Origami Yoda did:
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Some people wonder what does each lightsaber colour mean? Or how many colours of lightsabers there is? Well here is your answer.
How many colours are there? 11 colours
What are they? Red, Orange, Gold, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple,Bronze, White, Black, and Silver
What do they mean?
Blue = To protect Users: Anakin Skywalker, Obi- Wan, Ben Skywalker, Anakin Solo, Plo-Koon, and Ki- Adi- Mundi
Green = Peace Users: Luke Skywalker, Yoda, Qui- Gon Jinn, Jacen Solo, Kit Fisto, and Ahsoka Tano
Yellow = To keep the Sith away and to patrol the galaxy Users: Plo- Koon and 3 others
Red = Don't grow naturally (No meaning) Users: Palpatine, Darth Vader, Count Duku, Darth Maul, Darth Craidus, and 1 other
Purple = Used by people who were siths for a short time then became jedi Users: Mace Windu, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jana Solo, The Dark Woman, Kit Darren, and Jaden Kor
Orange = Used for negotiation Users: Yaddle, and... Plo-Koon again? Jesus...
Gold = Very high skilled Users: Q – Ron
Bronze = Rare and used for strong jedi Users: Lobacca
Silver = Calm Users: Korren Horn and 1 other
White = light source Users: Imperial Knights
Black or Darksaber = Stronger than the sith lightsaber Users: Darth Maul, Pre Visla
I'm not sure if Mace Windu was a former Sith, I'll look that up too.
He had an apprentice who turned to the dark side...
Then why didn't Obi Wan get a purple saber? I belive there is a considerable margin for error with Origami Yoda's interpretation.
I prefer the clone wars myself. I think they're more inteesting, because we still don't know everything about the end of the clone wars. (Did all the clones kill their generals? How many Jedi survived? What happened to the various senators and politicians of the Republic?)
All I know is that the politicians were still in the Imperial Senate.
@Danflorr Actually Mace did survive the fall and probably would have been able to continue to survive and escape if Boba Fett hadn't found him soon after his fall, weak after his recent fall and electrical shocks Mace was easy prey for an avenging professional bounty hunter. *Yes I'm a Star Wars nerd*
@Soren, the lightsabers colors are supposed to show what kind of jedi you are. Blue symbolize the more warrior type while green would show you were a more of a student/teacher in the force.
Interesting fact: The only reason they changed Luke's saber color to green in the original trilogy was because you couldn't see it in the Jabba the Hut scene because the sky was the same color blue.
As far as I know, jedi can use the force to hold broken bones together.
Has anyone seen the trailer for the new Star Wars film coming out (I'm sure most of you have :P)? I learned that it won't be coming out until next December, tho... but now that The Hobbit trilogy is complete, I guess it's just another (hopefully) great film to look forward to!
Oh yeah, danflor was dissecting it a few pages ago. I love when the Falcon appears, I was literally jumping from my seat and yelling "YES!!!"
Papers? Is that a camera shot technique, or a flight maneuver, or something else? ???
Appears. Stupid AutoCorrect.
The second Force Awakens trailer is out!
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on April 16, 2015, 09:20:32 PM
The second Force Awakens trailer is out!
Yeah!, Its amazing! I saw it about 30 min after it came out :P.
I just saw it a few minutes ago again. I'm so excited! R2 is in it! And that Sith Lord is getting awesomer.
It's so awesome!
(http://gif.co/o7N3.gif)
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on April 16, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
I just saw it a few minutes ago again. I'm so excited! R2 is in it! And that Sith Lord is getting awesomer.
Don't forget Han and Chewy! ;D.
The crashed star ship looks so cool!
I also love the new Storm Trooper design ;D.
I literally, judt had a heart attack watching that. That, that was the best thing I have ever seen!
I've never actually seen the Star Wars movies, which usually surprises people to hear, what with my geeky interests and all.
I do, however, plan to watch them before the new movie comes out this year.
Episode 1,2,3, aren't as good story wise and acting wise as 4,5,6. 6 is my favorite. I like the end of 3.
Veddy Veddy evil.
The new Strom Trooper blasters look AMAZING! I can't wait to see if they can hit things with them!
Hah. Veddy fnny. But also veddy true.
(http://i.imgur.com/33iL8cg.jpg)
I was bored so I just decided to Sketch this scene from the new trailer, :P.
Sorry, My scanner wasn't working so I just took a picture of it ;D. So its not the best quality, and I'm not the best artist either .
Trailer for the Battlefront game came out! Is anyone else going to get it?
@Cap'n: I think that's remarkably good. With or without Chewy I could still tell that's Han Solo. Nice!
Liken' that detail on Chewy Cap'n!
I might get the Battlefront game, still not sure yet.
Behold! The true SITH LORD!! :o
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2q88sx1.jpg)
I'm sorry I'm such a bad drawer. :P
(If you don't get it watch the scene from the first trailer with the Sith Lord. :P)
Very nice Cap'n! Love the idea!
(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/h2DZok1Zdeq4qnDDFc-7ul8gEBw=/600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4173498/starwarsposter.0.jpg)
Here's the final official poster for The Force Awakens. Tomorrow they release a third trailer. Who's hyped up?!
Note on the lightsaber blade:
Interesting how Kilo Ren's (Sith Lord) lightsaber isn't as straight edged as Finn's blue lightsaber.
And WHAT THE HECK IS THAT IN THE BACKGROUND?!?!?!
What is that in the girl's hand? That looks like the most majestic saber ever.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on October 19, 2015, 05:18:10 AM
(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/h2DZok1Zdeq4qnDDFc-7ul8gEBw=/600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4173498/starwarsposter.0.jpg)
Here's the final official poster for The Force Awakens. Tomorrow they release a third trailer. Who's hyped up?!
Note on the lightsaber blade:
Interesting how Kilo Ren's (Sith Lord) lightsaber isn't as straight edged as Finn's blue lightsaber.
And WHAT THE HECK IS THAT IN THE BACKGROUND?!?!?!
Apparently I have some explaining to do.
First off, Kylo Ren's lightsaber is made by himself, and he's apparently really inexperienced, so....
And the thing in the backround looks liek a torpedo sphere, if I do say so myself.
Quote from: The Mask on October 19, 2015, 09:04:27 AM
What is that in the girl's hand? That looks like the most majestic saber ever.
It's just overlayed on Ren's blade, her weapon is just a staff thing.
I wonder if the stormtroopers will achieve what they failed in the original movies. They were suppose to inspire fear, instead they made everyone laugh, so maybe they're being upgraded a little.
Well, "stormtroopers" were a bit different from "clone troopers", so maybe they switched the batch to a different donor. :P
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 19, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
Well, "stormtroopers" were a bit different from "clone troopers", so maybe they switched the batch to a different donor. :P
Most of the stormtroopers (or at least the later ones) were actual humans, and not clones. That might help to explain why they were so innefective.
Ah, I see.
HERE IT IS, THE THIRD TRAILER! JUST AIRED ON ESPN!
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Wow.
The theaters will be absolutely packed for this.
Love the new trailer!!!
The Binks Awakens ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo7_qW4pPrc
Spoiler
In which movie does Jango Fett get decapitated by the purple lightsaber Jedi?
Spoiler
Attack of the Clones I think.
Yes, Attack of the Clones, by Mace Windu.
I want to see that one again. . .
DON'T.
NOSTALGIA.
Attack of the Clones was the worst out of the three.
Yeah, with the Padme-Anakin romance.... ack.
Was too young to remember much of it. :P
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on October 28, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
Yeah, with the Padme-Anakin romance.... ack.
Those were the worst parts.
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on October 28, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
Yeah, with the Padme-Anakin romance.... ack.
It was even worse in Phantom Menace; Anakin is like 7 and Padme is probably 13 or 14, and Anakin is like "Are you an angel?"
The only good thing about Phantom Menace was Darth Maul.
Qui-Gon was good.
He was alright. I liked young Obi-Wan. I think we all dislike Jar Jar Binks.
I know someone who likes Jar Jar.
"Hey George Lucas, we found that one guy!" ;D
Girl.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 03, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on October 28, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
Yeah, with the Padme-Anakin romance.... ack.
It was even worse in Phantom Menace; Anakin is like 7 and Padme is probably 13 or 14, and Anakin is like "Are you an angel?"
The only good thing about Phantom Menace was Darth Maul.
Anakin was nine then. But it doesn't really matter.
That kid that played him couldn't have been nine, maybe eight.
...I think the nine-year-old Anakin is adorable. It's rather sad what ended up happening to him...
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on November 03, 2015, 09:28:27 PM
...I think the nine-year-old Anakin is adorable. It's rather sad what ended up happening to him...
He maybe be adorable, but it's still weird he was talking to much-old Padme and they got married. When they were older, it didn't matter I guess.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on November 03, 2015, 09:28:27 PM
...I think the nine-year-old Anakin is adorable. It's rather sad what ended up happening to him...
*ignores what you just said*
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 03, 2015, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on November 03, 2015, 09:28:27 PM
...I think the nine-year-old Anakin is adorable. It's rather sad what ended up happening to him...
He maybe be adorable, but it's still weird he was talking to much-old Padme and they got married. When they were older, it didn't matter I guess.
Yeah, well, he was just a kid with a crush, and then they met again years later, so it works for me. (I hardly watched any of Episode II, so...)
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on November 04, 2015, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on November 03, 2015, 09:28:27 PM
...I think the nine-year-old Anakin is adorable. It's rather sad what ended up happening to him...
*ignores what you just said*
*raises eyebrow*
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on November 03, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
I know someone who likes Jar Jar.
My family LOVES Jar Jar!!! ;D
Why would you love him?
We're just quirky that way :P
My all time favorite character is Max Rebo!
Has anyone else been watching Droid Tales???
Disney's Japanese YouTube channel just uploaded a new trailer, it's awesome!!!!
I wonder why Kylo Ren's lightsaber is so. . . fluid, so to speak. :P
Yeah, it's weird. But we don't have too long to wait.
Man, I love the music in that trailer.
What do you mean by fluid?
(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/11/KyloRenTFA.jpg)(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/11/FinnTFA.jpg)
He means how Kylo Ren's lightsaber isn't as stable looking as Finn's blue one.
Oh yeah, and Star Wars Episode 8 is coming May of 2017!!!!!
Oh. Maybe he's a false Sith and put it together incorrectly.
Its instability certainly makes it intimidating. Maybe we'll find out when the movie comes out. Or maybe they'll just leave that to speculation just like a lot of other discontinuities. :P
I saw the Japanese trailer...can't wait!!! May end up taking the day off from work and start my holiday vacation early :P
Quote from: Firehawke on November 06, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
I saw the Japanese trailer...can't wait!!! May end up taking the day off from work and start my holiday vacation early :P
I know right! Why did the Japanese get such a special trailer? :P
I recall something about Japan grossing a metric crapton of money for Star Wars...
It's an International trailer with Japanese subtitles.
In case the old forum isn't up be December 18th, there needs to be a Star Wars thread.
So, who else has memorized all the trailers for TFA? ;D
I have to re-watch all six so I actually know the story. :P
Has anyone seen the new Chinese trailer? It has a bunch of extra footage.
I have yes. We already got out tickets for opening day. I won't have any finals or anything. Just straight up Star Wars.
Spoiler
It turns out that Luke Skywalker becomes Darth Vader and trains Kylo Ren.
Spoiler
Just kidding. I wanted to test the spoiler tag.
Anyone seen this new Chinese trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECYgD7zylrE)? (It's in English, with Mandarin subtitles)
The Japanese trailer is a good one. Can't wait for the film!
Episode VII was great. I think it's probably my second favourite (after Empire). Though there were a few illogical things.
Oh my goodness TFA was amazing. It felt old and new, as if you were returning home. The CGI used was brilliant, and the story made you simply giddy. Plus, there was that little but of joking around, with great quotes hidden throughout.
I really enjoyed it. It felt like a proper Star Wars film, unlike the newer ones they made. It had a decent script and storyline. I like the plot twist with Ben. (I knew that spoiler before going in because I read part of my brother's star wars book which had that in, only he was called something different in that)
I liked the subtle humour and the characters were genuinely interesting.
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on December 21, 2015, 09:52:18 PM
Oh my goodness TFA was amazing. It felt old and new, as if you were returning home. The CGI used was brilliant, and the story made you simply giddy. Plus, there was that little but of joking around, with great quotes hidden throughout.
I saw it the day before yesterday, and this just about sums up my feelings of the movie. Even my geeky brother enjoyed it enough to excuse the the technical errors :P ("A parsec is 3.26 lightyears! I mean c'mon, it is not a measure of time!")
I just got home from seeing TFA. I enjoyed it. They added the right amount of drama without making it sappy. I liked having a strong main female character, and I appreciated that the Force was strong within her even though she (as far as we know) isn't connected to any of the families we're familiar with from the other films. It's refreshing to see someone previously undiscovered able to become aware of and learn to control her powers.
Here's the deal on the Kessel Run:
I don't think that they meant a parsec as a unit of time. Perhaps the Kessel Run is I fact a series of maneuvers and/or specialized tactics that have to be done within a unit of distance, for instance, a reverse 40-yard dash. How far can he go in 4.5 seconds?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the First Order overcompensated.
Quote from: Søren on January 03, 2016, 05:36:03 AM
Here's the deal on the Kessel Run:
I don't think that they meant a parsec as a unit of time. Perhaps the Kessel Run is I fact a series of maneuvers and/or specialized tactics that have to be done within a unit of distance, for instance, a reverse 40-yard dash. How far can he go in 4.5 seconds?
That would be grammatically incorrect though.
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7n3buUgd91r2nm60o1_250.gif)
As you all know, I love this movie and am anxiously awaiting the DVD release. It's so good.
Quote from: Jet the binturong on December 21, 2015, 08:56:54 PM
Episode VII was great. I think it's probably my second favourite (after Empire). Though there were a few illogical things.
What illogical things are you referring to?
The idea of the Starkiller Base itself. It is built into a planet (meaning it can't move) and yet it is said that it destroys a sun every time it is used. They are in a monosolar galaxy, meaning the Base could only feasibly be used once. There were probably more, but I can't remember them.
Huh. I think I might've considered that already, but you mean the galaxy as in every planetary system and star, right?
Sorry, I was being stupid. They live on a monosolar planet, in any case. Whereas some SW planets, such as Tatooine, are duosolar.
Yeah, I was a tad confused for a sec by what you said. :P
At any rate, that does seem to be a difficulty. However, this guy named Pablo Hidalgo (he's part of the Lucasfilm Story Group) made a statement on his Twitter saying that Starkiller Base is, in fact, mobile. Not definitely canon, but he probably knows something about it. :P
Also, I heard that according to the movie novelization, they don't actually use the sun's power to blow up systems - they use the power to collect dark energy called quintessence, which they then shoot at the systems. *shrugs*
The new one was pretty good. I am a Revenge of the Sith guy myself.
So... does anyone like the Clone Wars TV show? We're working our way through it - right now we're in the middle of season two. Anakin and Ahsoka are the best.
CW is one of my favourite TV shows ever, though Season 1 isn't the best.
Why not?
I'm not sure what my favorite episode is so far - there are so many good ones! "The Deserter" and "Brain Invaders" are pretty good. I was kinda horrified when Barriss killed that clone named Trap with her saber, though. I mean, sure, he was attacking her, but it was the worm's fault, not his. :-\
From what I remember, Season 1 was very basic and safe, and not as in depth and interesting as the rest of the series.
I loved CW, especially the Maul and Ompress story line.
Quote from: Søren on February 06, 2016, 06:16:36 AM
I loved CW, especially the Maul and Ompress story line.
So you've seen the whole show? Is there anything (besides violence) that might be considered objectionable? My younger siblings are all watching it as well.
I've seen it too, I'm not the biggest fan of it, I found it too be a little too toned down. And there were a few episodes featuring Padmae and politics that made me want to ram a needle in my eye. Also the droids are pathetic, and everyone in the series makes terrible military choices. But there are a few gems mixed in there, especially season four featuring the clone Arc troopers and none of the other main characters. (Jedi/Sith/Politics) are all blissfully absent in a few.
As for your question Jukka there is nothing, other then a bit of kissing as far as I can remember. The closest it ever comes is the jokes some of the Mandalorian Death Watch make. But never anything bad.
BTW post in The Over-Father.
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on February 10, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
As for your question Jukka there is nothing, other then a bit of kissing as far as I can remember. The closest it ever comes is the jokes some of the Mandalorian Death Watch make. But never anything bad.
BTW post in The Over-Father.
Mmkay, thanks. :)
I did.
No problem Jukka.
So what color and model lightsaber would you guys pick out of the standard colors from the EU and movies?
Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Purple, Gold, Orange, Silver, White, Black?
I think I'd go with the Yellow Dueling saber. It simple but effective and I like the color.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6IUlrpeRvZlfth5ukRQRjw02Sxs1dyi_qEiAnNkrKQrvuBg9HYg)
Also if you know the different Lightsaber combat styles which one would you use?
I'd go with Style two personally.
I know zilch about the different styles. :P
As for colors, probably yellow or green. Blue is too mainstream.
I'd have a yellow saber. As for style, I don't know, maybe Vapaad? (sp?) Is that what it's called? Mace Windu's one.
@Jukka Not really, it's alright. The way Ashoka dresses in the first season is as bad as it gets.
Ahsoka's original outfit is actually super practical though, so you can't really fault it. It's one of the only Jedi/Sith costumes I've seen that is actually a good idea. Aayla Secura also wears the same thing, I believe.
Quote from: Jet the binturong on February 10, 2016, 12:45:11 AM
I'd have a yellow saber. As for style, I don't know, maybe Vapaad? (sp?) Is that what it's called? Mace Windu's one.
They had yellow ones?
Indeed. Not in any of the movies, but in the TV series and EU, there were a few.
Quote from: Søren on February 10, 2016, 02:01:17 AM
@Jukka Not really, it's alright. The way Ashoka dresses in the first season is as bad as it gets.
'Kay, thanks.
I mean, I guess Ahsoka and Aayla have practical outfits, but I don't get the point of showing off your stomach. :P (And Aayla showing off her... other stuff. :P)
They aren't practical compared to Ashoka later in the show. More clothes.
From what some people are saying about the next one they come out with, it doesn't look like I'll want to see it.
Why not?
I'd prefer not to say here . . .
Relationships, maybe? I dunno, I haven't even see the Force Awakens. . .
Yah, well there has been talks about trying to include certain things in the new movies to make them more diverse or real lifeish.
Oh right the Poe/Finn thing. Yeah, that's almost certainly not going to happen, it's just wishful thinking on some fans' part. Obviously Finn is going to end up with Rey; that's the one thing we know for sure about these movies.
Yah, well there was even some talk about luke being the same way.
There was?
Even if they were to go that route, I don't think they'd say so because if they didn't they'd reach a much larger demo and get much more money. I really think it would be terrible marketing strategy to reveal whatever "objectionable" content you were going to have in your film.
And are we forgetting that Luke kissed his sister several times?
Mark Hamill apparently said something once to the effect of, "Who knows, Luke could be bi or something since his love life wasn't exactly explored." I doubt that'll happen, though.
I doubt it will ever happen as well. Some people were suggesting that since he did love leah, then found out they were siblings, he wasn't inetersted in girls anymore so he went bi or something along that line. I thing there is also going to be something with a female villain that is married to another female in the movie though. Never heard more on it though.
... Went bi?
Okay then.
I think there's a negligible chance of any of this happening.
@Tam: Ohhh, yeah, that female villain. She's not in the movies, though; she's in one of the new EU books, and as far as I know she isn't actually married or whatever. I saw a headline about that early last year and assumed for ages that it was referring to the movie, but it's really only a book.
@Jet, to be honest, I don't know how all that works. I will say that I know for sure I am NOT bi so i can't say i know how other people think they are or how they do think if they are bi.
I really hope they just stay away from it.
@ Jukka, yeah something like that. This is just all I've heard. I don't know how true any of it is.
Disney's all about money, so they proooobably won't do anything too overt lest they alienate some of their fans. I do wonder if they're gonna make just Poe homosexual, though. I heard the actor might've played him as though he was, but without anyone else's knowledge? (Anyone else have an opinion on this?)
I have no idea about Poe, but I agree that they won't risk alienating anyone. They seemed to stick really close to the norm, considering how TFA almost mirrored ANH.
But if either of them is gonna be, it'd be Poe. Finn needs to get with Rey. Just saying.
@Soren: So, would you still go see the next movie even if Poe was subtly that way? Just wondering. For me, it would depend on several variables.
Perhaps, it would depend. I don't know. ¯\_(?)_/¯
So, I got TFA.
^ Cool! ;D
So, what do you guys think of the Rogue One teaser trailer? I have mixed feelings about it. While definitely exciting, it seems to me that they're making it a bit modern, for lack of a better word. (Also, the main character kind of looks like Katniss Everdeen, and many of the YouTube comments were saying that it felt like another Hunger Games movie.) I feel like they're trying to tick all the boxes of political correctness. "Let's have a kick-butt female as the lead, and let's have an Asian guy, a black guy, and a Hispanic guy as her team members! Now everyone can see how inclusive Star Wars is! Yay!"
Not that there's anything wrong with Hispanics or blacks or tough women or anything. But really.
@Jukka the Sling As a half-Hispanic, I'm offended. (Just kidding. ;D )
I think it looks awesome! I didn't see a Hispanic. Anyway, I loved Rey and Finn as lead characters in TFA, and I think this will also be awesome. And why not have them in lead roles? You're a sci fi series that has aliens, you're already really diverse. You even transcend the boundaries of mankind. ::)
The fact that it looks overly politically correct is the thing; it shouldn't. There shouldn't be any surprise when none of the leads of a film are white men, it shouldn't matter.
I will conclude that Rebel Woman looks like Katniss, but acts a lot more awesome in the trailer than Katniss did in any of the books or any of the trailers I've seen for the HG movies.
It's interesting that they would decide to make a prequel to the original trilogy when they're already planning the sequel trilogy. This one looks like it might be a little darker than the other ones (at least what can be told from the teaser), but that's what it seems Marvel was trying to do and their movies are still pretty humorous.
And I agree the character reminds me of Katniss.
@both of you: I don't have a problem with the cast as such; it's just that it really seems to me that they're trying to be as politically correct as possible. And you're right, Jet - it shouldn't be a problem. But it really does seem like they're trying to check all the boxes.
Also, the main character's name is apparently Jyn Erso.
I don't know what the details are, but as far as the PC thing goes, I don't think it's that "none of the cast are white men". I think it's more the aspect of having one of each kind. That does ring strongly of PCness or "targeted tokenism" (albeit only if we work from the very important unstated assumption that the Star Wars universe's ethnicities are distributed similarly to our own; if it's an even distribution, those kind of results aren't at all unlikely).
Maybe the film staff chose candidates for roles in a color, ethnicity-blind way, and it just happened to fall out the way that it did. But maybe not, and given the film culture of trying to emphasize minorities, I'm not willing to totally discount the possibility that the casting choices might be influenced by political correctness.
That said, I don't really care about it. The production staff have a right to make the choices that align with their values and that they think are best for the film, and I'm not likely to watch it no matter who they cast.
Oh, and Soren, perhaps I was mistaken about the Hispanic dude. *shrugs* I dunno. I was partly thinking of this promotional photo when I wrote that post:
Rogue One photo
(http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news.tops/NEPKN0daKrdBSX_1_a.jpg)
It looks like there's a Hispanic guy, but I suppose he might not be. :P
And as I said before, I have absolutely nothing against anyone with a different skin color than my own. This casting seems to be a politically-correct effort, though, and that's what bugs me.
It does look like it'll be a fun movie.
HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN MARK HAMILL'S LATEST TWEET WITH THE PHOTO OF HIM AND DAISY?!?!
GO LOOK AT IT. (https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/719239858087182336)
I just finished watching Episodes I-VI on BluRay for the first time. Has anyone else watched the movies on BluRay? I love how clean the movies look and what got tweaked in the original trilogy (but I am SO still keeping my theatrical release DVDs)
For those of you who are like me and LOVE the soundtracks, the Rogue One soundtrack can be preordered on Amazon!
To celebrate, let's all watch this piano/orchestral cover of the trailer music (note...the YouTuber has made the .mp3 available for free...you read that right, FREE!!!)
That song is so awesome I love it so much. It has an awesome Harry Potter/Fallout 4 feel to it, while still having that sense of Star Wars with almost a heavy just overtone to that original song. Truly replicates the movie's plot perfectly!
IKR?!?! The last part is sick.
That was stinkin' amazing.
Who else has totally geeked out over the new trailer???
Quote from: Firehawke on October 13, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Who else has totally geeked out over the new trailer???
So excited!
Quote from: Søren on October 13, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: Firehawke on October 13, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Who else has totally geeked out over the new trailer???
So excited!
Yes!!! I got literal chills when Vader was walking towards that guy. Also, my history teacher showed us this in class. She's pretty cool ;D
Awesome trailer.
Quote from: Firehawke on October 13, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Who else has totally geeked out over the new trailer???
Awesome!
A Tin Piano released the orchestral cover of the new trailer music...piano only is supposed to go live today!
Jar Jar is my favorite character. *Waits to be killed*
Get out.
Quote from: Rosie Willowwater on October 20, 2016, 04:05:23 PM
Jar Jar is my favorite character. *Waits to be killed*
I LOVE Jar Jar!!! He's not my all time fav (that's Max Rebo ;)) but he's right up there!
A Tin Piano uploaded the piano only version of the new trailer music...and if you check the description, you will find the link to his Google Drive where, yet again, the .mp3 of the orchestral rendition is free!
Ze Force Avakenz iz nae Ztar Varz, und zey 'oneztly need tae zet zin'z roight again. Na' ah cannae buy ze real Ztar Varz bookz nev becauze zey 'ave been infected viz zat rubbizh Legendz brandin'. Ach...
Honestly, I was happy when the EU as a whole was de-canonized. Like I've said before, it's like the whole thing became a contest between the writers to see how badly they could mess everything up. There are stories and plots that I genuinely miss as part of the canon, but far more that I'm glad are gone, especially most of the newer ones. Anyway, branding or no, there's nothing keeping me from getting an old book and continuing to imagine it as part of my own separate canon.
Quote from: James Gryphon on November 04, 2016, 03:24:23 AM
Honestly, I was happy when the EU as a whole was de-canonized. Like I've said before, it's like the whole thing became a contest between the writers to see how badly they could mess everything up. There are stories and plots that I genuinely miss as part of the canon, but far more that I'm glad are gone, especially most of the newer ones. Anyway, branding or no, there's nothing keeping me from getting an old book and continuing to imagine it as part of my own separate canon.
Ah'll admit zat
Red Harvezt vaz nae quite ze good ztory, but tiz ztill better by far zan ze rubbizh Force Avakenz. Kylo Ren recoitin'
Hamlet tae ze Darz Vader 'elmet...
HYPE HYPE HYPE
New trailer!
I'm trying not to let myself get too excited in case it turns out to be lame.
Also, there's an MPAA rating now! PG-13 was what I expected. Wonder if that's gonna be the new norm for Star Wars movies.
I'm really excited for Rogue One.
Well, the movie's premiered in LA, and the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. This movie so far makes me think of Clone Wars/Rebels, and that's a good thing. Hopefully it'll be like those shows - good, clean adventure and battling - but acted by real people. Oh, man, I hope it's good.
I can't wait to see it!!! Which might not happen until it comes out on DVD next spring (just like Force Awakens...and I stayed fairly spoiler free!)
I went and saw Rogue One at the cinema yesterday. My blooming goodness, I have not enjoyed a film, let alone a star wars, that much in ages. Hands down the best Star Wars yet! (in my opinion)
I totally agree!!! Got to see it yesterday, too :D
If you haven't gotten a chance to see it, and if you have time, rewatch Episode IV before you see Rogue One!
ROGUE ONE SPOILERS
I HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY THE ENDING. SOMEONE HELP.
See, before I saw it, someone online said somewhere that they thought Jyn and Cassian would go on to fall in love. Me, being the trusting little idiot that I am, took that to mean that Jyn and Cassian totally survived.
SO NOW I AM REELING FROM THE ENDING. HEEEEELP.
On a non-spoilery note, I loved the references to
Star Wars Rebels. Like when they were calling for General Syndulla over the intercom, and when the
Ghost was in the background of a shot. (Russa said she saw the
Ghost several more times, plus Chopper in a couple of places.)
Oh, I loved all the Easter eggs. My brother and I were whispering the whole time when we saw the Cantina guys, Antilles on the intercom, Obi Wan reference, oh it was great. My favorite movie of the year.
Going to see it tomorrow. Can't wait for the happy ending.
^ What, you've been spoiled?
@Gonff: Don't forget that ugly guy who later bumped into Luke in the cantina. ;D Okay, I see you already mentioned them. For some reason, I thought you were talking about someone else. :P
EDIT: OMW I JUST FOUND OUT THAT SAW GERRERA WAS ORIGINALLY FROM A SEASON FIVE CLONE WARS ARC. OMW OMW OMW I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIS NAME
The trailer Tv Tropes always spoils.
SO can't wait for it to come out on DVD so I can watch it over and over!
On a side note...after seeing it, family realized we haven't watched Clone Wars...shocking, I know! Thankfully, the public library (which is only 3 blocks away) has it, so we've been binge watching. We are through season 4 and the last disc of season 5 and all of lost tales are on hold for me. Hoping whoever has the first 2 discs of season 5 get them in before my workday is done so I can go pick them up tonight.
And can't wait to see Saw in Rebels this week!
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2016, 02:45:58 PM
EDIT: OMW I JUST FOUND OUT THAT SAW GERRERA WAS ORIGINALLY FROM A SEASON FIVE CLONE WARS ARC. OMW OMW OMW I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIS NAME
Woah! I totally remember the episodes he was in! I totally should've recognized that before!
I just saw those episodes last night!!!
Who's up for the mid season trailer for Rebels?
Just got back from seeing Rogue One. One of the best Star Wars films yet. I'm not sure whether I'd rank it above Empire, but I'd give it some serious consideration.
Also K2 is the best character in all of Star Wars.
Ooh. Nice. Can't wait to see it. (In three months. . .)
@Jet the binturong I totally agree...one of the best!
@Skarzs You will really enjoy it!!! Hope you are able to stay away from spoilers! (had that myself with Force Awakens)
Guys! The title for episode VIII was released!!
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Ooh, cool!
*screams wildly*
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The hype is building up again!
Can't wait, this is gonna be great!
SO excited! Can't wait!
Anyone else watching Star Wars Rebels?
No.
What do you mean? It's so exciting!
I just mean I don't watch it. :P
If you get a chance, you should give it a try!
Just found out no new episode until February 18th. :-\
A couple things to keep in mind:
Jedi is plural as well.
In the opening crawl for FA, Luke is referred to as the last Jedi.
Wonder if they'll kill off Leia now that Carrie Fishers out of the picture. I mean, Harrison Ford is still alive and they had no qualms killing him off.
If I was running things I'd simply move her character off-screen. Killing two major characters in two films would be extremely depressing, and at that point starts feeling like dark fancruft (like everything in the old EU/Legends from Vector Prime on) instead of a legitimate sequel to possibly the most loved sci-fi trilogy of all time.
Quote from: Groddil on January 25, 2017, 10:10:07 PM
Wonder if they'll kill off Leia now that Carrie Fishers out of the picture. I mean, Harrison Ford is still alive and they had no qualms killing him off.
They stated they're not going to digitally recreate her, they can't recast her, so they're probably going to move her off screen and kill her quietly in IX. Maybe they'll just have the small note that she died in the crawl for VIII.
Fantastic turn of events. :P
They should have killed her instead of Han. All the filming for VIII is done though. So yeah, she might get offed between movies, or in IX.
How would killing off Leia have benefited the plot in any way? She did not have a major role in the story, and nor was she connected to the main characters in a way that meant they would be personally effected by her death, unlike Han.
I really have no idea what they're going to do with her for Episode 9. Everyone's been counting on an emotional Leia/Kylo Ren reunion, right? They can't abruptly kill her off in the middle of this trilogy. That would be horrible.
They're gonna have to do CGI.
I think Rey and Kylo will both get the devastating news that she died in Epsiode IX. She had already finished filming VIII, so maybe the opening crawl to IX is that she's died. Or maybe the character dies in VIII.
If Leia is randomly announced in Episode 9 to have died offscreen between movies, the trilogy will just have signed its own death warrant. Probably the same if she dies in Episode 8 (although I suppose it could be done right). Seriously, though, killing off both Han and Leia in one trilogy? Just thinking about it makes me feel disgusted. I hope they figure out something else.
Are you suggesting that leia should die in the next trilogy
By the time of the next trilogy, she'd almost definitely have died of natural causes anyway, so no explanation would be needed. I just don't want her to die during this trilogy.
What do you mean, next trilogy? I was of the impression that episode IX would be the last in the main series. Nine is all GL originally wanted to do, in any case.
I was joking,
because Jukka said:
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 26, 2017, 03:46:43 PM
Seriously, though, killing off both Han and Leia in one trilogy? Just thinking about it makes me feel disgusted. I hope they figure out something else.
Leading to:
Quote from: Inquisitor on January 26, 2017, 07:51:53 PM
Are you suggesting that leia should die in the next trilogy
A grin smiley probably would've helped...
I've been under the impression that they'll keep making more and more movies and milking Star Wars for all it's worth. I dunno.
At one point in the early days, George Lucas talked about making maybe 12 movies, so I wouldn't conclude that it must be over once it hits 9. That said, though, if they can't get their creative juices flowing and show some real imaginative spark like George's, then they should quit at 9, after the Skywalkers' story arc is more definitively resolved.
So long as Kylo Ren dies rather than get redeemed or something stupid like that, I'm happy.
Redemption is the major theme of Star Wars, though. I'm guessing he'll sacrifice himself to save someone else. Oh, man... what if he sacrifices himself to save Leia, or tries to? Then again, that's too much like Vader. Who knows - maybe he'll redeem himself and then have to actually live with the consequences of his misdeeds.
He's an angsty teen, not an interesting villain. And he killed Han Solo. Why would they redeem him. At least Vader was interesting.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 26, 2017, 03:46:43 PM
If Ren isn't killed offLeia is randomly announced in Episode 9 to have died offscreen between movies, the trilogy will just have signed its own death warrant. Probably the same if she dies in Episode 8 (although I suppose it could be done right). Seriously, though, killing off both Han and Leia in one trilogy? Just thinking about it makes me feel disgusted. I hope they figure out something else.
^ Fixed that for you.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 26, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
Redemption is the major theme of Star Wars, though. I'm guessing he'll sacrifice himself to save someone else. Oh, man... what if he sacrifices himself to save Leia, or tries to? Then again, that's too much like Vader. Who knows - maybe he'll redeem himself and then have to actually live with the consequences of his misdeeds.
I dunno, if he admired Vader so much, he would want to be like him, right? ;)
He idolized *Vader,* not Anakin Skywalker. There's a difference.
John Williams won a Grammy for the TFA soundtrack!
And a new episode of Rebels is on this week! :)
So, it's been announced that Leia will be in Episode IX without the use of CGI. They'll be using recent footage of Carrie Fisher to do it. I have literally no idea how this is supposed to work, but I guess the filmmakers know more about it than us.
I saw that! Should be interesting!
Anyone else looking forward to the new season of Freemakers this summer?
Freemakers?
Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures is a Lego animated TV show. I saw a bit of it once when my siblings were watching it.
Dang, the trailer got me shook. Just, woah. This will be one heck of a movie.
My initial reaction: WAIT WHAT THERE'S A TRAILER OMW
My reaction after seeing it: AGGGGGHHHHHHHH
SO can't wait for the movie to come out!!!
Ah vant tae take acid tae every copy o' av zeze ztupid Force Avakenz rubbizh zin'z und melt zem av dovn, und delete every zaved forme o' data aboot zem, zen melt ze Dizney recordz fer good meazure.
Someone's bitter.
The Last Jedi trailer wasn't very good. Didn't really hype me up for the movie at all. But at least they're doing the "Jedi and Sith are archaic concepts anyone should use any power" thing.
They are?
Meh.
Well in the trailer Luke says "I only know one truth. The Jedi must end."
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on April 14, 2017, 11:38:03 PM
Someone's bitter.
Ach, let uz zee...George Lucas createz Ztar Varz. After ze original trilogy, zey alzae 'ave an Expanded Univerze o' ozer ztoriez, az vell az a prequel trilogy. Durin' ziz toime vroiterz pour zeir 'eartz und zoulz intae creatin' more ztoriez fer ze Ztar Varz Expanded Univerze: Zey 'ave book zeriez, comicz, gamez, televizion epizodez, furzer continuationz o' zaid previouz zin'z, major plot eventz in ze Ztar Varz Univerze, und zen...Zey gut ze entoire zin'- everyzin' zat everybein' az been vorkin' on und az ztated previouzly pourin' ze 'eartz und zoulz intae, completely zrovn oot ze vindov und labeled az "Legendz", bringin' zome nev rubbizh und replacin' ze original, actual real-Ztar Varz viz ze nev rubbizh und placin'n ze "Canon" az zat...Aye, ye could zay ah'm nae zat fond o' ziz nev rubbizh.
Most of the EU after a point (Vector Prime) was awful, though. And after the Vong arc ended, it somehow got even worse. The ability of just about anybody to get their silly idea made canon, as in Force Unleashed, were the last nails in the coffin. Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of the older works (the Thrawn trilogy) as much as anybody, but on the whole I think the EU universe was a disaster.
That's not to say that the new trilogy is the answer to that problem, but it couldn't mess it up much worse than it was.
Honestly, at the end of the day I expect I'll pick and choose my personal SW canon, and throw out the rest.
^
I've got my own ideas and whatnot on the series, so I just think stuff is canon when it's not and kinda ignore a lot of "canon" stuff.
Watched the video that was posted on the official YouTube channel that highlighted the best of Celebration...Season 4 is supposed to be the last season of Rebels...say it isn't so!
Can't wait for Last Jedi...hoping the weather is decent enough to go to the movie theater when it comes out!
Finally watched Rogue One last night.
What do you think?
Pretty good. Also. . .
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2016, 03:39:48 AM
On a non-spoilery note, I loved the references to Star Wars Rebels. Like when they were calling for General Syndulla over the intercom, and when the Ghost was in the background of a shot. (Russa said she saw the Ghost several more times, plus Chopper in a couple of places.)
Can't forget "Dark (Black?) Saber" when they were going through the files. ;)
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 24, 2017, 07:49:46 PM
Pretty good. Also. . .
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2016, 03:39:48 AM
On a non-spoilery note, I loved the references to Star Wars Rebels. Like when they were calling for General Syndulla over the intercom, and when the Ghost was in the background of a shot. (Russa said she saw the Ghost several more times, plus Chopper in a couple of places.)
Can't forget "Dark (Black?) Saber" when they were going through the files. ;)
When I heard them say that I went "ooooh....hope that comes up in a future movie!"
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 15, 2017, 03:57:59 AM
^
I've got my own ideas and whatnot on the series, so I just think stuff is canon when it's not and kinda ignore a lot of "canon" stuff.
Hurrah for selective fandom! Because the Yuzhang Vong were freaky.
I'm disappointed that they changed the logo. It looks poorly in red.
Aren't they the ones that had parasitic crabs growing on them as lightsaber-resistant armor?
A lot of the Star Wars EU is pretty weird, from what I've heard. Like, isn't there some book with Han and Chewie fighting zombies in space?
I need to read the Thrawn trilogy, though.
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 24, 2017, 07:49:46 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2016, 03:39:48 AM
On a non-spoilery note, I loved the references to Star Wars Rebels. Like when they were calling for General Syndulla over the intercom, and when the Ghost was in the background of a shot. (Russa said she saw the Ghost several more times, plus Chopper in a couple of places.)
Can't forget "Dark (Black?) Saber" when they were going through the files. ;)
Yeah, I noticed that on a recent rewatch. ;D
Speaking of
Rebels, I was just saying the other day that they need to add more shippy Kanera moments and also add in Bo-Katan (Satine Kryze's sister) from the Clone Wars show, 'cause obviously something was brewing with her before the show was cancelled. And then I finally saw the season four trailer, and my wishes have come true!
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 26, 2017, 12:39:08 AM
Aren't they the ones that had parasitic crabs growing on them as lightsaber-resistant armor?
And cut off parts of their conquered enemies to fuse into their own body? Yep. Oh, by the way, they are also Force resistant. Because that's a thing.
Happy Star Wars week!
Is anyone else on a music binge??? My iPod is currently filled with all 8 movie soundtracks :P
And Lucas King has another video up! This time, it's his original theme for Jedi Master Plo Koon!
And if anyone has Disney XD, tomorrow is all Lego Star Wars, all day long, including 3 new shorts to help fill in the gaps between seasons 1 & 2 of Freemakers...hope they end up on Youtube as well...because they all air when I'm at work!
May the 4th be with you.
*Strangles Ash.*
Gaaaargghh!
/me chops Skarzs with his mighty red lightsabre.
Anyway, my are they pulling the crank on these movies! One every year! Aie chihuahua!
Pretty crazy. Only Marvel dares to do that. Makes you wonder how long they have been planning this resurgence.
So. . . I had a dream last night I was fighting/being trained by Darth Maul. >_>
All those Star Wars theory and explaination videos are obviously affecting my subconcious.
Quote from: The Skarzs on May 29, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
So. . . I had a dream last night I was fighting/being trained by Darth Maul. >_>
Darth Skarzs. ;D
I feel like drawing that now.
OOH. Everyone needs to draw themselves as Jedi or Sith.
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Quote from: The Skarzs on May 29, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
So. . . I had a dream last night I was fighting/being trained by Darth Maul. >_>
All those Star Wars theory and explaination videos are obviously affecting my subconcious.
Did he teach you on how to get the high ground?
Didn't need to be taught that.
Also, it apparently doesn't work when he tried it. ;D
Quote from: The Skarzs on May 06, 2017, 01:19:09 AM
Pretty crazy. Only Marvel dares to do that. Makes you wonder how long they have been planning this resurgence.
Star Wars 89: This Resurgence.
So I'm obviously way out of the loop somehow, but I just heard about the upcoming microseries called Forces of Destiny. I'm so excited about this!
I don't like Star Wars. ;D
(Watches heads explode.)
So why are you commenting in the Star Wars discussion thread then? ???
I believe the second line explains why. ;D
Um, have you even seen the movies/shows?
*Mumbles.*
O.O Even worse than I thought. You haven't seen even the original trilogy?
So you don't like Star Wars without having watched the movies or read any books.
Nice.
Have y'all seen this? It's hilarious and awesome.
I didn't know this before, but Mormon missionaries aren't allowed to watch movies while on their two-year mission. So this was her first time seeing both TFA and Rogue One.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on June 18, 2017, 04:18:40 AM
O.O Even worse than I thought. You haven't seen even the original trilogy?
I hadn't either until a while ago. Don't rag him too hard.
Quote from: Cornflower MM on June 19, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on June 18, 2017, 04:18:40 AM
O.O Even worse than I thought. You haven't seen even the original trilogy?
I hadn't either until a while ago. Don't rag him too hard.
But how can he not like Star Wars when he hasn't even seen it?
It's a common human practice called a "pre-concieved notion."
Quote from: Cornflower MM on June 19, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on June 18, 2017, 04:18:40 AM
O.O Even worse than I thought. You haven't seen even the original trilogy?
I hadn't either until a while ago. Don't rag him too hard.
I was mostly joking around, and I thought he understood that. XP
That I did lass! ;D
Quote from: The Skarzs on June 19, 2017, 05:41:18 PM
It's a common human practice called a "pre-concieved notion."
Quite right! ;D
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Quote from: The Skarzs on May 29, 2017, 05:34:12 PM
I feel like drawing that now.
OOH. Everyone needs to draw themselves as Jedi or Sith.
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Quote from: Delthion on June 28, 2017, 05:03:52 AM
That I did lass! ;D
Good.
Now you have to go watch the original trilogy. You will probably enjoy it. Then watch the prequel trilogy. You will spend some of the time cringing because of the terrible acting and occasional weird plot contrivances (as well as fast-forwarding through cringy smoochy scenes in
Attack of the Clones). Then go watch
The Clone Wars show. It will fix everything wrong with the prequels and you will officially be a Star Wars fan.
I have spoken.
;D
(Also, FYI, I never saw the originals until 2013...)
Getting ready to start binging Clone Wars again (well, as much as I can binge on it...I have to get it from the library, since I don't have my own copies yet)...and I just recently finished binging Rebels Season 1 & 2...anyone else looking forward to Season 4 and the recently announced DVD/BluRay release of Season 3?
And what are your thoughts on Ron Howard??? I personally can't wait!
You can find the Clone Wars show on watch cartoon online, if you don't want to try finding it at the library.
Quote from: BJaqFan on June 29, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Getting ready to start binging Clone Wars again (well, as much as I can binge on it...I have to get it from the library, since I don't have my own copies yet)...and I just recently finished binging Rebels Season 1 & 2...anyone else looking forward to Season 4 and the recently announced DVD/BluRay release of Season 3?
I CANNOT WAIT FOR REBELS SEASON FOUR. The trailer was so awesome and all my siblings and I were literally screaming when we watched it a few weeks back. :P Bo-Katan returning? Kallus and all of them finally relocating to Yavin 4? CUTE SHIPPY MOMENTS WITH HERA AND KANAN??? I THINK I MAY DIE BEFORE THE FIRST EPISODE FINALLY ARRIVES.
*decides to go rewatch the trailer*
Whoa. Somehow, I'd either missed or forgotten that Hera flies right through some space station hangar while going to lightspeed, deliberately setting off an explosion. O.O
/endfangirling
O__________o
@Jukka the Sling Indeed. Lots of stuff teased in the last season seem to be coming to light... TIE Defender... more of the Deathtroopers... and evidently more Thrawn being awesome.
(Empire did nothing wrong)
Yup. Thrawn is pretty awesome.
Speaking of that dude, I started Heir to the Empire the other day. I haven't gotten very far yet, though. It's interesting to see what the Star Wars canon used to be like.
Fairly certain the book is part of the new canon.
You're probably thinking of another book. Heir to the Empire is part of the Thrawn trilogy, which was written in 1991 and picks up five years after RotJ. Leia's expecting twins in this book, so that right there rules out its canonicity. :P
Timothy Zahn has apparently written a new canon novel called Thrawn, though.
@The Skarzs Thanks for the info!
@Jukka the Sling I totally agree!!! I need to rewatch the trailer over and over again! :P
Have you guys checked out the Forces of Destiny playlist?
And Ashley Eckstein was talking about it on this week's Star Wars Show!
Just FYI, I always use mobile for that site. Not sure how well it operates on a computer.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on June 29, 2017, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: BJaqFan on June 29, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Getting ready to start binging Clone Wars again (well, as much as I can binge on it...I have to get it from the library, since I don't have my own copies yet)...and I just recently finished binging Rebels Season 1 & 2...anyone else looking forward to Season 4 and the recently announced DVD/BluRay release of Season 3?
I CANNOT WAIT FOR REBELS SEASON FOUR. The trailer was so awesome and all my siblings and I were literally screaming when we watched it a few weeks back. :P Bo-Katan returning? Kallus and all of them finally relocating to Yavin 4? CUTE SHIPPY MOMENTS WITH HERA AND KANAN??? I THINK I MAY DIE BEFORE THE FIRST EPISODE FINALLY ARRIVES.
*decides to go rewatch the trailer*
Whoa. Somehow, I'd either missed or forgotten that Hera flies right through some space station hangar while going to lightspeed, deliberately setting off an explosion. O.O
/endfangirling
Except they're 2 different alien species, not sure how well that would work out lol
Quote from: Grond on July 03, 2017, 06:15:59 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on June 29, 2017, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: BJaqFan on June 29, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Getting ready to start binging Clone Wars again (well, as much as I can binge on it...I have to get it from the library, since I don't have my own copies yet)...and I just recently finished binging Rebels Season 1 & 2...anyone else looking forward to Season 4 and the recently announced DVD/BluRay release of Season 3?
[...]CUTE SHIPPY MOMENTS WITH HERA AND KANAN???
Except they're 2 different alien species, not sure how well that would work out lol
The creators have actually stated they like each other. Also, in
The Clone Wars, there was a Twi'lek who had half-human kids, so Kanan and Hera could definitely have kids too. XD :P
My favourite Jedi is Picard.
Darth Vader is amazing.
^ Yup.
Someone managed to get ahold of the first
Forces of Destiny episode and post it to YouTube before Disney did. It's pretty cute. Of course, it's also pretty short, but we knew that already.
Have you guys seen this yet?
The new little aliens look SO cute!
It's a fun vid to watch (was hoping for a full out new trailer, but this works)...and have you guys seen the new teaser posters???
Yeah, I have! They're really nice.
I can't wait until an actual trailer is released!
Have any of you seen this?
If any of you'd like a more in depth analysis of the behind the scenes video, Star Wars Explained made a video looking at all the frames:
I'll have to watch both of these videos later. Thanks!
So I've restarted watching Rebels season 2. Kanan and Ezra should be dead, and Hera, Sabine and Zeb should be in cells awaiting execution. You don't put two half-trained Jedi up against Darth Vader and have them survive. Remember that part where Vader had Kanan in perfect stabbing position and just decided to throw him instead? The fight choreography in this episode was so unbelievably bad.
I miss Clone Wars. It was so much better than this.
Lol.
Yeah, after seeing some of the new comics' contents we can clearly see how ruthless Vader was, how easily he can defeat even experienced enemies and the prejudice and lack of care with which he exacts their deaths.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
THERE'S A RUMOR ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW ABOUT A DIRECTOR BEING IN VERY EARLY TALKS FOR AN OBI-WAN MOVIE
I'M SO EXCITED IT'S CRAZY
I SERIOUSLY HOPE THIS HAPPENS AND THAT THEY BRING EWAN MCGREGOR BACK
He's, like, ten years older now!
Actually, that might work out. :P :P :P
YES
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I was literally coming here to post that! :D It may not be the Last Jedi trailer I was hoping for, but now I'm SO HYPED all over again! Mandalore! Krennic! Stardust! Loth-wolves (so that's what they are)! Kanera! Still don't know what's happened to Ahsoka, though (I seriously hope she isn't dead or somehow turned into a Force-owl >.>). Also, I'm terrified that Kanan is gonna die. But I can't wait for this season!!! Thank goodness I know about Putlocker now, or I'd have to wait months to watch it when it comes out.
Also: did you guys hear that Paul Bettany has joined the Han Solo movie?
?!?!?!?!
There's another trailer?! Woo! I'll have to try to watch it when I get a chance! :P :D
Steal the earbuds the next time you get Wi-Fi. ;D
SO can't wait for Season 4! Binge watched season 2 over the weekend...mostly yesterday :P
^ Cool!
Well, it was just announced that Colin Trevorrow and Lucasfilm have parted ways. He was supposed to direct Episode IX. Wonder who'll direct now?
Watched the trailer just now, and I'm totally dying! Kanera was adorable, the whole thing was epic, plus the mention of Krennic and Stardust... Aaaah! So looking forward to this! :D
;D ;D ;D
Much fangirl. Many scream.
Basically us and Russa:
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The new AT-DP design that disintegrates living matter should be interesting. Appears to take inspiration from the Defoliator from The Clone Wars. Going back to Mandalore might mean the Protectors ally with the Rebels...
I just hope they don't mess up Grand Admiral Thrawn. His trilogy was one of the best in the old Extended Universe.
He's undoubtedly gonna die in the upcoming Rebels season.
No, he won't. It's been heavily implied if not stated that Thrawn survived past Endor to help found the First Order with Rae Sloane and Snoke. At any rate, he is far too good of a tactician to die that way - in Legends, it was a traitor who assassinated him, not anyone from the New Republic.
Ooh, now I'm getting excited. What if he appears in Episode VIII?
theyre taking clone wars off netflix :'( :'( :'(
I guess it's because Disney's making their own streaming service. But that stinks.
they are but i am almost positive it wont be as good as netflix
Disney's streaming service is gonna suk.
It already does.
I saw this pattern on Etsy...how could I pass it up? Now to just find the time...and supplies :P I'm SO going to have to have SW stuff playing on the TV while I work on it!
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Wow, that's cool! :D
Do you know Firehawke in real life, by the way?
Sorry for the double post, but it was just announced that J.J. Abrams is returning to both write and direct Episode IX!
I heard that...SO excited! He did a great job on Force Awakens!
@Jukka the Sling ...interestingly enough, I do! :P
Wow, awesome! I dunno, you two just seem to have a lot in common. ;D
Also: Episode IX was just pushed back from May 2019 to December 2019. I actually completely forgot it was scheduled for May at all, so this doesn't really bother me. :P
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So I just finished the fourth episode of Star Wars, my first ever. It was...interesting, I enjoyed it, annoyingly. ;D But Mark Hamill's acting was SO bad, it hurt to watch.
I'm just super happy you've begun watching Star Wars! ;D
The Trekkie in me was crying the entire time. ;D
The fandom, Episode VII, and everything I've heard about Episode VIII has almost entirely ruined the series for me. If you analyze it very much, it sucks the fun out of it, and considering I have a lot of unpopular opinions about the franchise, people have liked to debate and I've had to overthink it all. I can't even make myself watch Rogue One, Rebels, or The Clone Wars (even though I have seen a few episodes of Rebels and enjoyed them.)
I liked episode VII, but I do acknowledge that it is hopelessly derivative and unoriginal, and most of the criticisms of it I've heard are valid. Rogue One and Rebels you can skip, but The Clone Wars is one of the greatest shows ever. If you can push past the first season, which isn't bad, just not as good as the rest of the series. Seasons 4 and 5 are utterly amazing.
I've heard from my best friend that The Clone Wars is good, but based on what else she's told me about it, it makes a lot of PT characters behave very out of character, and the basic premise bothers me fundamentally, so it's the thing I actually have the least desire to see. I actually have Rogue One (got a deal on it), and my parents liked it, but I haven't been able to find the motivation to give it a go.
I did enjoy TFA, but it wasn't great, and the obvious pandering to nostalgic OT purists honestly felt like an insult to fans of the entire series who wanted something new. It also made me have a stronger dislike for what they're doing since OT purists are always really rude to me and are the ones who've nearly ruined the series for me.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on September 27, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
I liked episode VII, but I do acknowledge that it is hopelessly derivative and unoriginal, and most of the criticisms of it I've heard are valid.
All of this. Hopefully Episode VIII is more unique.
Quote from: Andy on September 27, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
I've heard from my best friend that The Clone Wars is good, but based on what else she's told me about it, it makes a lot of PT characters behave very out of character, and the basic premise bothers me fundamentally, so it's the thing I actually have the least desire to see. I actually have Rogue One (got a deal on it), and my parents liked it, but I haven't been able to find the motivation to give it a go.
I don't know that the PT characters behave out of character? About the only person I could possibly apply that to is Anakin, who's not nearly as glum and annoying as he is in the movies. He's really quite likeable in
The Clone Wars.
If you don't mind my asking, why are you bothered by the premise of the show?
Rogue One is really good, by the way, if you ever want to give it a shot. :)
I have heard that the Jedi Council forces a padawan on Anakin to help with his attachment issues. Basic psychology tells us that forcing him to take care of a charge would do the exact opposite of that, and Mace Windu and Yoda of the films would never allow this, much less force it. If the Council had actually wanted to help Anakin with his issues, they would have let him periodically visit his mother, rather than forcing a mentally unstable and unpredictable young man to be responsible for a kid.
As I haven't seen it, I have nothing against the characters they've created for the show, and I can't comment on how this all plays out, so maybe it is well done and maybe most people can ignore that. But the concept itself is highly faulty and out of character and no matter what people say, it can't fix the problem with Anakin's fall as the problem happens during Episode 3 and therefore after the Clone Wars. That bothers me too, that people act like it fixed the bit that didn't make sense whereas it chronologically can't.
It further bothers me that people act like this series makes Anakin likable, as if he wasn't a mostly good person in the PT films (and definitely the character with the most depth and character development), and further use it to illustrate how bad the best films in the series supposedly are. Especially since I saw bits of an episode and it looked... unappealing. Though I suppose that could have been the supposedly atrocious introductory movie.
Being mostly a good person does not make one a likable character. His acting was wooden, his dialogue was cringy, young Anakin was the most annoying character ever, except Jar Jar, you never for one second believe he and Padme are in love with each other, oh, and he committed mass murder. Granted his mother had just died, but still.
I like the prequels. I hated prequel Anakin as a character. The only time Anakin is watchable on screen is the intro to RotS, and when he turns to the "dark side."
I'm pretty sure training Ahsoka was meant to force Anakin to learn discipline, not help with his attachment issues.
Well, I disagree. As an awkward misfit, I always saw a lot of myself in Anakin, and while I certainly do not think the mass murder thing was okay, I could definitely see the connection between him and Padmé—it was awkward and felt forced because he was so unstable and they weren't technically allowed to be together. Anakin is actually my favorite character, though he did deserve to be written better. The problems with the acting came mostly from the awkward dialogue, and I honestly think people are way too hard on that. But I won't argue it because people aren't going to see my perspective or change their minds and it ends up getting personal.
And for all I know the padawan thing was because of discipline, that's just not what I'd heard before. My best friend also tells me she doubts I would enjoy the series, anyway.
Regardless, I doubt I'll be watching anything Star Wars for a long time. Not implying it has happened here, because it hasn't, you guys have been fairly docile, but people like to yell at and insult me for not agreeing with them about the franchise and I have found so many flaws in every film while picking through to support my personal opinions and so forth that it just isn't much fun anymore. I am hoping that will pass because I did love the series, but who knows?
To be honest, I'm pretty sure the Council did assign Ahsoka to Anakin in an attempt to help him get over his attachment issues, though it could also have been an attempt to make him more responsible - who knows. And I don't know if it truly fixed anything. One of the main things I realized as I got deeper into Star Wars is that the Council (and all the Jedi) are definitely not all-knowing. They make some serious mistakes over the years.
Anyway, Anakin obviously doesn't like Ahsoka at first, since she's sassy and immature, but they eventually become like siblings. Ahsoka has a ton of character development throughout the series, and you can really see by the end how she's grown as a person. I really like her.
I also like Anakin as a character, but I have to mentally step away from how he talks and acts in Attack of the Clones - the way Christensen delivers his lines sounds so unconvincing and awkward. (I read somewhere that Christensen was trying to talk in the stilted way Vader does in the original trilogy, which was... perhaps a misguided choice on his part. :P)
If you can get over the fact that Anakin was assigned a Padawan by Yoda, then I think you could really enjoy TCW. The first couple of seasons aren't the greatest, but it gets way darker and more intense the further in you go. There are heavy themes, complex plotting, and some pretty brutal deaths - and this show is ostensibly for kids! Also, there's some Anakin/Padme-centric episodes... just mentioning that since you ship them. :) A lot of minor characters are fleshed out too, like Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Barriss Offee, etc. You even get to know and love the clones! I don't know if all the above will sway your opinion, but I just really love this show, so I want to share it with, like, everyone.
Also, I don't know what forums you've hung out on before, but I'm pretty sure basically no one active here today would yell at you for your Star Wars opinions. :)
Also Jukka can now smash them with a banhammer if they do ;D
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Quote from: Jukka the Sling on September 28, 2017, 01:03:24 AM
To be honest, I'm pretty sure the Council did assign Ahsoka to Anakin in an attempt to help him get over his attachment issues, though it could also have been an attempt to make him more responsible - who knows. And I don't know if it truly fixed anything. One of the main things I realized as I got deeper into Star Wars is that the Council (and all the Jedi) are definitely not all-knowing. They make some serious mistakes over the years.
That is, by and large, the point of the Jedi in the prequels. Their dogma makes them weak and arrogant and complacent, and they are blind to the advance of the Sith. They insist on clinging to traditions that make no sense, and by doing so, they create Darth Vader and this allows Sidious to triumph over the Republic. That's why in everything, be it canon or Legends, the Jedi will always abandon their traditions or disband after the fall of the Empire. Jedi are bad. Sith are bad. The only way it can work is if there is balance.
Anyway, Anakin obviously doesn't like Ahsoka at first, since she's sassy and immature, but they eventually become like siblings. Ahsoka has a ton of character development throughout the series, and you can really see by the end how she's grown as a person. I really like her.
I definitely wouldn't say they become like siblings, but yes, Ahsoka is awesome.
I also like Anakin as a character, but I have to mentally step away from how he talks and acts in Attack of the Clones - the way Christensen delivers his lines sounds so unconvincing and awkward. (I read somewhere that Christensen was trying to talk in the stilted way Vader does in the original trilogy, which was... perhaps a misguided choice on his part. :P)
If you can get over the fact that Anakin was assigned a Padawan by Yoda, then I think you could really enjoy TCW. The first couple of seasons aren't the greatest, but it gets way darker and more intense the further in you go. There are heavy themes, complex plotting, and some pretty brutal deaths - and this show is ostensibly for kids! Also, there's some Anakin/Padme-centric episodes... just mentioning that since you ship them. :) A lot of minor characters are fleshed out too, like Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Barriss Offee, etc. You even get to know and love the clones! I don't know if all the above will sway your opinion, but I just really love this show, so I want to share it with, like, everyone.
Also the foreshadowing (retroshadowing?) of Anakin's turn to the "dark side," without doing something something as drastic as wholesale slaughter.
Also, I don't know what forums you've hung out on before, but I'm pretty sure basically no one active here today would yell at you for your Star Wars opinions. :)
^ Yeah, I love all the foreshadowing with Anakin. Especially when they have the Imperial March playing.
This is random, but - I'm curious about the Darth Jar Jar theory. Do its proponents actually believe it themselves? It's fun to joke about, yeah, but I'm absolutely certain it isn't fact. However, the way all the folks on the famous Reddit thread reacted seems to indicate a good number of them took it seriously, which is odd to me.
In the sense of "Is it canon that Jar Jar is a Sith/Dark Side force user", I don't think so. There's still technically a chance that Disney could turn everyone's world upside down and reveal that Snoke is Jar Jar, but I admit that it isn't likely, and from the films alone there isn't enough solid evidence to make that conclusion.
In the sense of "This is what George Lucas intended before he got cold feet", though, I think it's quite possible. The theory speaks for itself in that regard, and there have been some cryptic statements by people (like Jar Jar actor Ahmed Best) that add further weight to the theory.
Agreed. I don't think it's canon, but I do think Lucas intended it to be.
I always assumed Ahmed Best's comments were just him joking around and playing along with a ridiculous theory. As crazy as some of Lucas's ideas are, I just can't really see him making an odd-looking fish creature a Sith mastermind... I mean, Palpatine was always the Sith Lord. What purpose would Jar Jar have served? (Unless he filled what later became Maul's role...)
He made a muppet the Jedi master. ;) (Okay, technically speaking Yoda was not a muppet or even a Creature, not being made by the Henson company, but it's a popular misconception due to Frank Oz' involvement with the character.)
If you read the theory all the way through, I think it covers that; the idea is that Jar Jar filled a slot in AOTC that was later given to Dooku after Lucas backed off of the idea, and Lumpawarroo actually proposed out that Jar Jar was potentially himself the supreme Dark Lord and Palpatine was an apprentice. I'm not sure whether I buy that, but either way he would have been a substantial part of it.
Oh, okay. I haven't read the whole post in a while.
Still seems like a pretty wild conspiracy theory to me. Guess anything's possible, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anything is possible with Disney leading the boat.
^ Pretty much. Except for Darth Jar Jar. They'd lose a ton of fans if they actually made him a Sith now. :P (Not to mention that this entire theory is extremely unlikely to be true. I mean, it forces you to assume that George Lucas was a genius who was planting very subtle hints all throughout TPM about Jar Jar's true Sith identity - hints so subtle that barely anyone noticed for years. It's just... too farfetched, in my opinion.)
Anyway, a lot of what Disney is doing with Star Wars is already wrecking it, from what I hear. I won't touch the newest novels because they're injecting inappropriate content into them. Plus the writing and plots of some of them aren't that great, judging from reviews.
I have been reading some of the new comic books online, though. Anyone read any of those? I just finished the newest Darth Vader issue (#6), and I was absolutely shocked to discover that in the new canon, Jocasta Nu survived Order 66! :o
What I'm upset about is that Disney is making the sequel trilogy, it means all the reading I've done is no longer cannon.
:-\ I'm sorry. How much have you read of the old canon?
EDIT: GUYS! The Last Jedi trailer is gonna be released tomorrow!!!
IT'S HERE
I SAW IT TWO MINUTES AFTER IT WAS UPLOADED
first: i have a million questions
second: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IKR
THAT LAST SCENE WITH REY AND KYLO THOUGH
I KNOW ALL THE TUMBLR SHIPPERS MUST BE FREAKING OUT OVER THAT RIGHT NOW
LOVE the trailer! Is it December yet?
Y'all just need to chill and learn some patience.
Like, you're so impatient that you have to try to figure out what the movie is about before it's even out.
I finally watched the trailer...
*Screams.*
AGH, I CAN'T WAIT!!!
The newest episode of Forces of Destiny just revealed that Hera and Chopper survive the Battle of Endor!
People may have seen The Last Jedi and wanted to discuss it, but a lot of us haven't and those who have seen it should avoid spoiling the movie. So, I made this thread for that purpose.
First of all, I thought Luke would do an Obi Wan and I was so spooked, but when the Force Manifestation thing was revealed it was an amazing surprise. Happy with the way Luke passed, it was a good end for a great character.
Didn't care for the movie at all. Terrible writing, worst Star Wars movie (out of the 8 saga films) so far.
"No more Sith, no more Jedi. No more Empire, no more Rebellion."
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
"Join me. Together we can rule the galaxy."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAD IT RIGHT!!! YOU HAD IT RIGHT AND THEN YOU RUINED IT!!!
"I will not be the last Jedi."
NONONONONONONONONONO.
Also Snoke was a nothing character. Like seriously who was he? We learned nothing about him, his personality or his motivations. He was completely pointless. Sneaky codebreaker dude was also pointless. Rose added nothing to the story. Also where was Phasma's big role they promised us? What's the point of Hux?
This whole movie was just so badly thought out. So many pointless characters, and the final act was just wrong and missed the point of the entire series.
So I just saw the movie.
*screams into the abyss*
I'm just so upset that Luke died. SO. UPSET.
He should've gone back to Leia and helped the Resistance. I'm so mad that cheerful farmboy Luke becomes this grizzled, angry old man who doesn't even leave his island to help his sister and just dies because he overexerted himself.
Also, who even was Snoke? Why do we still know nothing about him? And why are Rey's parents just some scumbags who sold her for drinking money? And why can the Force be used to cast illusions? Finn and Rose's mission was kind of pointless. Also, Benicio del Toro's character was hilarious, but it was weird how he just... betrayed them and presumably got killed three seconds later? And Maz Kanata's cameo was just weird.
On the positive side, Snoke's death was pretty cool, and the ensuing fight was awesome. Poe was also awesome, and I liked Laura Dern's character (took a while, though). It was also cool to see Leia actively use the Force for once. (Although that whole scene was kind of cheesy/weird...)
I just hope J.J. Abrams can fix all of this movie's problems in Episode IX. Maybe Rey's parents weren't actually the jerks Kylo thought they were...
The whole thing about Rey's parents being unimportant was the only good part of the final act. It was real, it was raw, it was perfect. Rey had been holding onto this naive hope that her parents had some grander purpose. That they left her for a reason. She wanted to believe it because that made it bearable. The fact that that was ripped away from her and the obsessed audience was genius. It was exactly what it should have been, and far more than I expected of Disney.
If only the rest of the movie could've delivered that well.
Also the forced romances between Finn and Rose and Poe and Rey right at the end sucked. They sucked so much.
Also who were Snoke's bodyguards? The Knights of Ren? If not, WHO AND WHERE ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN? Are the Knights of Ren the rest of Luke's apprentices? If not, what happened to them?
This movie was awful, I'm finding new things to complain about every second.
I didn't realize Poe and Rey were being set up as a romance? (My younger brother thought so, though...) On a related note, do you guys think Rey and Kylo's relationship is meant to be romantic?
Luke said that Kylo took off with the rest of his apprentices after killing the rest, so I would assume they are indeed the Knights of Ren. It's stupid that we don't even know where or who they are.
Also, I don't think anyone even said "I have a bad feeling about this." I feel betrayed. xD
I've thought of one thing I liked about the movie. Luke's death. Not the way it happened, that was stupid. But the way it was framed in the story.
Luke sitting there, staring out as the twin suns rose. Whereas in A New Hope, at the beginning of his journey, he stares out at the twin suns setting. Beautifully poetic ending.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 16, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
The whole thing about Rey's parents being unimportant was the only good part of the final act. It was real, it was raw, it was perfect. Rey had been holding onto this naive hope that her parents had some grander purpose. That they left her for a reason. She wanted to believe it because that made it bearable. The fact that that was ripped away from her and the obsessed audience was genius. It was exactly what it should have been, and far more than I expected of Disney.
This would be acceptable if this mystery hadn't been hyped up by Disney & co. for the past two years. Instead it was made into a really, really huge deal. Late night guests were peppered with questions about it. Rian failed to deliver. I think JJ is going to course-correct here, otherwise Rey is the worst Mary Sue in cinematic history.
It wasn't hyped up by Disney. The fandom latched onto it, and Disney decided to capitalise on that. It was barely touched on in The Force Awakens. I certainly never believed that her parents were any existing characters, I thought that would have been stupid. And yes, Disney is quite stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid.
But what about the part in TFA where Maz is like "Who's the girl?" And then the scene cuts, so you don't see Han's response. And why did Leia hug Rey so tightly when they'd supposedly never met before? And then, in one of the TFA novelizations, when Rey Force-grabs the lightsaber (I think), Kylo breathes, "It is you." Not to mention how much he freaked out in the movie when he discovered that a random girl was with BB-8.
These things are obviously there on purpose, hinting at Rey's origins. And yeah, sure, they could have other explanations. But to have all of that just brushed off in TLJ, like Rian's just trolling the audience, is extremely disappointing.
I highly doubt that this was something Rian thought up himself. They had to have planned out the major plot details before even making TFA, otherwise they're idiots who don't know anything about writing stories.
Despite the movie being a terrible mess. I didn't find it to be any worse than The Farce Awakens.
Some pretty cool things in it for sure, but a lot of things that made me face palm.
They ruined the seriousness of star wars and replaced it with ridiculous comedy throughout the entire movie. The Phantom Menace did the same thing with JAR JAR BINKS.
I would say it was better than The Farce Awakens, since JEW JEW wasn't directing.
@Jet: I've seen conflicting things about whether or not they actually have an overarching plan for the trilogy. I'll have to see what I can dig up.
Quote from: Friar Poppy on December 21, 2017, 04:23:20 PM
[...]since JEW JEW wasn't directing.
...Did you just say what I think you did?
@Friar Poppy : If you have an issue with the movies, that can be discussed- but antisemitism will make you no allies here, sir, so I suggest that you watch your mouth.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 21, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
@Jet: I've seen conflicting things about whether or not they actually have an overarching plan for the trilogy. I'll have to see what I can dig up.
Quote from: Friar Poppy on December 21, 2017, 04:23:20 PM
[...]since JEW JEW wasn't directing.
...Did you just say what I think you did?
Did I say the F-word again
Being coy with such matters is unbecoming.
I'm actually trying to reference the South Park Movie
Troll. If you wish to ever be taken seriously by anyone on this forum, sir, I suggest you remove your ridiculous implications from your original post. Alternatively, you may choose not to, with the consequence that you will end up gagged. Consider yourself lucky to have the issue addressed by more civil means, as there are doubtless plenty who would be willing to do so otherwise.
I would advise you to not be so cavalier about such things in the future, if only to preserve from other people commenting on your lack of understanding of the world.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 21, 2017, 05:21:56 PM
Troll. If you wish to ever be taken seriously by anyone on this forum, sir, I suggest you remove your ridiculous implications from your original post. Alternatively, you may choose not to, with the consequence that you will end up gagged. Consider yourself lucky to have the issue addressed by more civil means, as there are doubtless plenty who would be willing to do so otherwise.
I would advise you to not be so cavalier about such things in the future, if only to preserve from other people commenting on your lack of understanding of the world.
Interesting
Friar Poppy's statement could have possibly been misinterpreted or misunderstood. She hasn't bothered to expound, but it seems as though she was referencing something and I for one know that references can be seriously misunderstood or misinterpreted by people not familiar with the source material. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, so let's not jump the gun here.
Quote from: Maudie on December 22, 2017, 12:11:19 AM
Friar Poppy's statement could have possibly been misinterpreted or misunderstood. She hasn't bothered to expound, but it seems as though she was referencing something and I for one know that references can be seriously misunderstood or misinterpreted by people not familiar with the source material. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, so let's not jump the gun here.
Saying "South Park" isn't even allowed here. I'm just not cut out for a "Family Friendly" environment.
It's not about "family friendly" environments. Most people in non-family friendly environments would react in much the same way.
The "reference" such as it is refers to a character from South Park called Eric Cartman, who is notably antisemitic. Since the whole point of South Park is to shock and offend you, this is never really addressed. I have no trouble believing that Cartman would call J. J. Abrams "Jew Jew." The problem is, real people aren't supposed to emulate this behaviour. The characters of South Park are explicitly awful people.
The trouble is, however, referencing an antisemitic joke is still antisemitic in and of itself and isn't really justifiable.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 22, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
It's not about "family friendly" environments. Most people in non-family friendly environments would react in much the same way.
The "reference" such as it is refers to a character from South Park called Eric Cartman, who is notably antisemitic. Since the whole point of South Park is to shock and offend you, this is never really addressed. I have no trouble believing that Cartman would call J. J. Abrams "Jew Jew." The problem is, real people aren't supposed to emulate this behaviour. The characters of South Park are explicitly awful people.
The trouble is, however, referencing an antisemitic joke is still antisemitic in and of itself and isn't really justifiable.
Actually what I was referencing from south park was the part in the 1999 Movie where Mr. Garrison says "Did you just say the F-Word?"
Cartmen says "Jew?"
Which was what I was really meaning since someone got mad at me for calling Abrams JEW JEW, Mimicking Jar Jar Binks.
With no context, it seemed like you weren't simply upset with J.J. Abrams about TFA (understandable), but were taking it a step further by insulting the fact that he's Jewish. That was the problem. My apologies if I ever came across as too harsh.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 21, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
I highly doubt that this was something Rian thought up himself. They had to have planned out the major plot details before even making TFA, otherwise they're idiots who don't know anything about writing stories.
It was though. Abrams didn't plan out anything beyond TFA; Johnson was given free reign to do whatever he wanted. Now Abrams will attempt to fix it. I'm not seeing how any of this can be resolved well, especially with Abrams back at the helm. I'll watch episode 9, but there is no guarantee that I'll be in the theater opening night or weekend, which previously has always been a guarantee.
Except that Daisy Ridley has always known who Rey's family were, and she thought The Force Awakens "answered a lot" and thought that it was obvious who Rey's parents were.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 23, 2017, 06:50:00 PM
Except that Daisy Ridley has always known who Rey's family were, and she thought The Force Awakens "answered a lot" and thought that it was obvious who Rey's parents were.
Not true. That was her opinion. JJ wrote his film, and Rian was given freedom to do whatever he wanted to next. While I disagree entirely with this reviewers' thoughts on the movie and SW, this article provides that background for you:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/22/16787554/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rey-snoke-parents-questions-mysteries-rian-johnson-jj-abrams
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 22, 2017, 12:52:49 AM
With no context, it seemed like you weren't simply upset with J.J. Abrams about TFA (understandable), but were taking it a step further by insulting the fact that he's Jewish. That was the problem. My apologies if I ever came across as too harsh.
You were being harsh?
Spoiler
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Okay I'll say it
I actually really liked The Last Jedi.
Don't hit me.
What was your favorite part?
Quote from: Friar Poppy on December 24, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 22, 2017, 12:52:49 AM
With no context, it seemed like you weren't simply upset with J.J. Abrams about TFA (understandable), but were taking it a step further by insulting the fact that he's Jewish. That was the problem. My apologies if I ever came across as too harsh.
You were being harsh?
Just wanted to make sure I hadn't been rude in any way.
About Snoke and his pointlessness, wasn't Emperor Palpatine the same type before the prequels came out?
No because he wasn't unceremoniously killed off two thirds of the way through the second movie after being built up to be the main villain of the series.
@Jukka the Sling the Reylo conversations and the red room fight scene, plus whatever Maz was doing.
Oh, I loved the red room fight scene! ;D The best part was when Kylo just burst-ignited the saber through that guy's face. (Only thing that bugs me is: shouldn't Kylo have just been able to knock them all over with a Force-push and make his escape? Eh, whatever.)
Do you actually ship Reylo?
Quote from: Søren on December 26, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Spoiler
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Okay I'll say it
I actually really liked The Last Jedi.
Don't hit me.
Amen
I watched it today, and I think it's pretty good. I have a couple complaints, but it's hard to live up to the previous movies, and this one on it's own is pretty darn good.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 26, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Oh, I loved the red room fight scene! ;D The best part was when Kylo just burst-ignited the saber through that guy's face. (Only thing that bugs me is: shouldn't Kylo have just been able to knock them all over with a Force-push and make his escape? Eh, whatever.)
Do you actually ship Reylo?
I know next to nothing about Star Wars, but I
do now that most movies when given the option of fight or run/do the smart thing/whatever, they go "Nahhhhh. LET'S HAVE ANOTHER AT LEAST FIVE MINUTE STUPID OP FIGHT SCENE. WE SHALL TITLE IT FIGHT SCENE 18 BECAUSE IT'S THE 18TH FIGHT SCENE IN THE MOVIE! YEAAHHHHHHH! FUN!"
. . .
Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration. But in most cases for movies like Star Wars, you're gonna get another fight scene. Because directors love them, I guess?? (Also I've gotten bored and counted fight scenes in movies before. At least 20 is normal for stuff like this. Gotta show how bad the heroes are, y'know?)
Quote from: Søren on December 26, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
@Jukka the Sling I do now
Ah. I don't think Rey really likes him that way in canon, but I am becoming slightly intrigued by the ship. Still hoping for Finnrey, though.
@Corn: Haha, that does seem to be a thing with a lot of movies. xD
My annoyance at the movie has cooled down somewhat, and I'm excited to see it again once it's on DVD. However, I'm still irked by all the pesky little unexplained things. Like, why couldn't they have gotten a droid to stay behind and helm the flagship? And why haven't they ever used lightspeed before this, to kamikaze the Death Star or something? It was also really handy that the Master Codebreaker was on a planet that just happened to be nearby...
And why didn't Holdo tell Poe her plan in some way? Instead, because of her silence, he thought she was a traitor and concocted a crazy plan with Finn and Rose that accomplished literally nothing, except for getting them sold out to the First Order by DJ and causing the deaths of countless Resistance members. That's just poor storytelling, and it's the one thing I can't wrap my head around. What on earth was Rian thinking? Was he trying to show that even heroes fail sometimes, or something? The entire subplot was nothing but filler.
I finally watched the movie, I can't say I'm impressed but I don't hate it either. The movie was a cool, well made film it was just disappointing in its delivery of a very wishy-washy and flawed story. It seems disconnected from the Force Awakens as if the director didn't even watch episode seven and just read the synopsis on the back of the CD case for reference. Its just really disappointing because it had so much potential where the writers came very close to an amazing story, but didn't take that extra step.
The biggest complaint I have with the movie is it leaves nothing more to be gained. They killed off the big baddy and Kylo is hardly something to be feared. Rey beat him in the first movie easy as you please, which leaves no real conflict. Phasma is presumably dead, and Hux isn't all that impressive either. Where's the challenge for our characters when the bad guys are so horribly incompetent. At least the prequels made some competent and dangerous rivals. Besides Snoke the new series is void of any real threats, and we all say what happened to him.
And the number of plot holes and super random conveniences was unbelievable. Also Leia saving herself from space and the character Rose were some of the worst things about that movie. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Rose shouldn't have been in the movie at all, and Leia should've died.
It had some good parts though. Although Vice Admiral Holdo was an overblown retard her final act of light speeding through the First Order's fleet was phenomenal. Poe was in general really cool all throughout the movie, he's the one fun and interesting character in the movie. And the lightsaber fight against the Pretorian Guards with Rey and Kylo teaming up was the best scene in the movie. Even if it made no sense.
Yeah, it felt like they were just killing off characters right and left. And although they've left it open-ended as to whether or not Phasma died, it would be kind of ridiculous to bring her back a third time in IX.
The Leia scene was alright in principle (grabbing onto the ship with the Force and pulling herself through zero-gravity), but it was executed oddly. She looked stiffish and fake.
Really liked Poe in this one too.
I found Ren's fall to the darkside to be interesting. Luke is standing over him while he is sleeping, senses the darkside and contemplates killing him even drawing his light saber. Ren then awakes uses the force to crumble the building-bury Luke in the ruble and kills the other apprentices with those loyal to him. Definitely an example of Luke creating a self fulfilling prophecy of his nephew becoming a Sith. I mean what would you expect Ren to do when he woke up to his uncle with light saber drawn trying or contemplating killing him ?
Snoke's death was also better than Palpatine's. Ren kills him by activating the light saber at his side and cutting him in half and doesn't give Snoke time to react in that he thought Ren was going to kill Rey. But they really should have saved it for the 9th movie. Palpatine's death was just stupid, in the 6th movie, where Vader physically picks him up by bear hugging him from the back carrying him to the reactor shaft and dropping him into it. Palpatine was the most powerful being in the universe- having bested Yoda in combat and yet he died like that. How couldn't he break Vader's hold?? Snoke's death was what Palpatine's should have been like...
Its really annoying though how incompetent they made Ren though...
Han dead, Leia (technically dead), Luke dead. Last original left: Chewy (and C3PO).
Quote from: Grond on December 31, 2017, 04:56:25 AM
I found Ren's fall to the darkside to be interesting. Luke is standing over him while he is sleeping, senses the darkside and contemplates killing him even drawing his light saber. Ren then awakes uses the force to crumble the building-bury Luke in the ruble and kills the other apprentices with those loyal to him. Definitely an example of Luke creating a self fulfilling prophecy of his nephew becoming a Sith. I mean what would you expect Ren to do when he woke up to his uncle with light saber drawn trying or contemplating killing him ?
I dunno, I thought of that more as lazy writing than actually intriguing. Luke went on a literal suicide mission onto the Death Star (which he knew was going to be destroyed, which also contained the Emperor, with the sole intention of bringing Darth Vader back from the dark side, the guy who committed mass genocide of an entire culture and even murdered children. I just find it hard to believe that after showing those sorts of character traits Luke would ever consider murdering his nephew in his sleep just because he sensed some conflict in his future.
And it wasn't like that was their only option. There are countless ways they could've made Ben's fall to the Dark side a product of Luke's ego and failures without the cold blooded murderer arch.
Yeah, I feel that was a bit weird for Luke's character if you take it at face value. However, it can be explained with some headcanoning. Someone suggested online that perhaps Luke actually saw a glimpse of the future (maybe even Kylo killing someone), and for a split second, was so overcome with horror that he activated his lightsaber in the heat of the moment. Luke did say that he immediately felt ashamed after doing so, anyway.
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on January 19, 2018, 05:41:22 AM
I dunno, I thought of that more as lazy writing than actually intriguing. Luke went on a literal suicide mission onto the Death Star (which he knew was going to be destroyed, which also contained the Emperor, with the sole intention of bringing Darth Vader back from the dark side, the guy who committed mass genocide of an entire culture and even murdered children. I just find it hard to believe that after showing those sorts of character traits Luke would ever consider murdering his nephew in his sleep just because he sensed some conflict in his future.
And it wasn't like that was their only option. There are countless ways they could've made Ben's fall to the Dark side a product of Luke's ego and failures without the cold blooded murderer arch.
I see your point but Luke going onto the Death Star to get Darth Vader back to the "light side" was probably a decision that he spent some time thinking about before he made it. It was not done in the heat of the moment so to speak. I would also assume that he was aware that in order to defeat the emperor he would need Vader's help- as if the Death Star was destroyed and the emperor survived the empire would have continued to exist and the rebellion would not have ended as the emperor was essentially the empire. Secondly, I would imagine that the thought of killing Darth Vader had probably crossed his mind at some point, however fleetingly.
I would also add that the incident with Ren may have also been another "test" between the light and the dark side in Luke. He may have had a vision of Ren committing mass genocide and his knee jerk reaction was to activate his light saber. There is no indication that for days prior he had planned kill Ren and that he went into the room with that express goal. Activating his light sabre seemed to be a spur of the moment decision, and he certainly felt a great deal of shame for doing that afterword.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to assume that this could have been Luke's spur of the moment reaction, despite the fact that if he had only a few moments to think about it he would never have done it. It also humanized and added a slight greyness to Luke's character. In that he is not some flawless and stoic Jedi master but that he is a "human" and not above making a rash spur of the moment decision.
@Grond Those are all possibilities honestly.
I'm not going to say that its impossible that Luke's character could have taken a sudden murderous turn. Just very unlikely and unfitting of lessons he already learned in Return of the Jedi specifically. It seemed to me like lazy, inconsistent writing by Disney.
Of course I'm kinda forced to accept that this is a part of Luke's character anyway, so I'll go to my disappointed fan corner and internally gripe. :P
So whaddya guys think of the Solo trailer and TV spot?
I actually think if they can make the plot interesting enough and market it well, more people will end up liking it then hating it. Personally, I think it is gonna be great, because Han and Chewie were basically my childhood.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on October 30, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
The newest episode of Forces of Destiny just revealed that Hera and Chopper survive the Battle of Endor!
If you have watched Rogue One:
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A voice from the loudspeaker said: "General Syndulla."
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Hera's ship can be seen: (https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://dorksideoftheforce.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/319/files/2016/12/Ghost-in-Rogue-One-at-Yavin-Base.jpg&w=1385)
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Solo looks good thus far, which is expected.
Who else has been keeping up with
Star Wars Rebels? I can't wait for the final episodes next week, but I'm bummed it's over. :/
Spoilers!
Today's episodes were completely crazy! So time travel is apparently possible now, under limited circumstances. I never thought Ahsoka's story would continue this way!
Hearing all the voices from different eras of the Star Wars timeline was awesome.
What are y'all's thoughts on the final Rebels episodes?! I was so terrified for just about every character during them! It was a craaaazy ride.
Spoilersss!
I'm so relieved that both Ezra and Thrawn survive! When Thrawn was being grabbed by "many arms in a cold embrace", I was growing increasingly horrified, thinking, "oh man, Hickory was wrong, Thrawn is gonna die!" (Ever since reading Thrawn, I've liked the guy a lot.) Then it looked like Ezra was gonna die too, and I was mentally like, "okay, fine, take Thrawn, I don't even care, as long as Ezra lives!" Then they were yanked into hyperspace in a Star Destroyer with smashed windows, and I couldn't believe that a Disney XD show had just killed their main character by vaporizing him at lightspeed.
And then, after a few minutes, when the other characters were sure he was still alive, I was so relieved. XD
THE EPILOGUE THOUGH. Ezra lives! Ahsoka lives! Sabine! Hera! ...Jacen?!
I'm pretty surprised Hera was pregnant the whole last few episodes. Weird move for a Disney XD show.
(And this was before she even told Kanan she loved him? Something's not right. .___.) Lol, I'm also really bugged by the fact that their kid looks almost entirely human, completely unlike the human/Twi'lek hybrids in Clone Wars.
I can't wait for Filoni's next show! It'll be awesome to see what happens with Sabine and Ahsoka! (And Ezra and Thrawn, presumably stuck somewhere in the Unknown Regions.)
Also! Jon Favreau (who voiced Pre Vizsla in
Clone Wars) is going to write and produce the live-action Star Wars show! So excited that production is moving forward! Just wish Dave Filoni had gotten to helm it, but he has another SW show he's working on.
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There's been some speculation that, because the next Thrawn book Zahn is writing (
Thrawn: Alliances, I believe) is titled such, it will mean that Thrawn and Ezra team up to survive.
Anyway, as far as the finale goes... it could be worse. I didn't like Rukh's death at all, especially since he played such an important part in Legends:
Rukh in Legends
He was Thrawn's killer, for those out of the loop.
What I did like most about the finale was Kallus and Zeb. To me, that felt like the most solid character arc of the entire show – Kallus going from an ISB agent who commited genocide to a friend of Zeb. One of my favorite characters.
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If true, that would be awesome. The cover features Thrawn and Vader, though, so I'm not sure. But I seriously can't wait to read it.
Side note: I really loved Thrawn and his relationship with Eli in the first book, but it bugs me that he's so different from his Rebels self. In the book, he's not cruel at all. He's just analytical, and actually wants to preserve as many lives as possible. I don't see that Thrawn in the show, and this apparent discrepancy really bothers me. XP
I love Kallus and Zeb and their friendship as well. Emphasis on the friendship. *deep breath* ...Um, I don't want to start an argument, but I did want to bring this up: apparently I'm not the only fan who got some unexpected and out-of-place gay vibes off them in their epilogue scene (even though Dave Filoni, when asked about them, said a bunch of stuff about how male friends shouldn't be afraid to express affection for each other without being labeled gay... so, I guess people are just reading too much into the scene? The world may never know).
http://www.starwars.com/news/thrawn-alliances-excerpt
Looks like the next Thrawn book is set after season three of Rebels!
So... I was corrected on a piece of Star Wars lore earlier by Pablo Hidalgo, main dude from the Lucasfilm Story Group.
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(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWsT694MDEBU3lIBgKukQbzLolG1ZN96JyaVL15ZeckIFr0js3ew2ZIVFf)
We ended up having a nice little conversation. Also I talked to some guy with insomnia.
The thing is, my beef with that TLJ plot point still stands, since Pablo missed the point when he corrected me on the "weaponizing lightspeed" thing.
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Because even if I forgot about one little incident in the fourth episode of Clone Wars (wherein a malfunctioning droid ship is sent to lightspeed and hits a moon), that does not negate the fact that CW never actually employs this as an actual battle tactic the exact way it was in TLJ. Just think of all the times ships were in close proximity to each other over a planet and nothing happened. You'd think some droid-piloted ship would try a suicide run at least once, based on TLJ, right? But no, 'cause hyperspace didn't work that way then. TLJ opened up a whole can of worms about it.
Before this, fans could go along with the hand-wavy idea that you couldn't hyperjump through a large object close by because your ship was either affected by gravity or had a safety thing that just wouldn't let you do it. Now that's pretty much gone.
I could go on about this forever. At this point, if this glaring issue were solved, I'd be perfectly accepting of TLJ. I guess I'll just have to make up some ridiculous headcanon where Holdo has a high IQ and is one of the few people in the galaxy who knows how to hack into the ship's targeting systems and disable the secret safety feature.
Anyway, Pablo seemed to ignore the important parts of my queries, so I didn't really get complete answers to the burning question that has haunted me day and night for the past four months. But at least now I know that he and the other powers that be actually discussed this before. It's also just super cool that he actually replied to me at all. I feel blessed, yet annoyed. XD
I dunno, does anyone else feel annoyance at this aspect of TLJ?
A little bit, yes. Common sense says that if it can be done once, it can be done again.
I personally think that the affect of doing such an action would cause as much damage as it did. (There is a reason high-energy projectiles are as effective as they are in real life.)
It would have to go into the science behind their hyperspace travel.
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Well, there's quite a few points presented that nullify the idea that hyperspace ramming is the be all, end all tactic of space battles:
1. Hyperdrives don't come cheap, and using them on a bunch of kamikaze ships each battle would be quite detrimental
2. The
Raddus only found such success from being such a large ship
3. It was also extremely lucky that the debris field existed, because that was what took out most of the
Resurgents behind the
Supremacy4. In a tactical sense, it would need a very specific situation to function safely. If it was employed at, say, the Battle of Coruscant, then the close-quarters fighting would almost certainly mean that friendly fire from a hyperspace ram would exist.
Now, since you argued that the CIS would totally use that tactic (and I agree, it fits their "expendability" vibe very well), I would still disagree.
Yes, the CIS had the money to purchase hyperdrives, as well as a very large amount of ships like the
Raddus (as well as the money to build them in bulk), but my latter two points still stand – we know very well that droids are not the most flexible of tactical thinkers, and the concept that they would willingly throw ships at the Republic is quite ridiculous. I mean, it's still a perfectly good ship, and why sacrifice ships when you can just overwhelm the Republic with the sheer number of vessels you have? We've seen before that standard ship-to-ship combat in the Clone Wars is pretty darn effective, and if you can do the job without wasting a cruiser, then of course you should do it that way.
Oh, and, as a note, hyperspace ramming is really only effective at close range, since the "jump" itself literally propels you into a completely different dimension.
Since I know that I tend to ramble and can't articulate my thoughts particularly clearly, here's the video that I took a lot from:
Good points. But I still think that someone could probably attach a basic hyperdrive to, like, an asteroid or something, or even just the shell of a ship with nothing inside, and weaponize that. Sigh. I'd love to get a canon explanation that puts some limits on this crazy superpower.
Sooo... Star Wars Celebration is being held in Chicago next April, which is closer to me than last year's one, at least (no way was I ever going to be able to go to Orlando). I really wanna go, but I've never been to any sort of con before, and I'd have to pay for it all myself. Guess I should really hurry up this job search. :P
Sooo... who's going to see Solo in theaters, and who's gonna skip it and wait for the DVD?
I'm pretty torn about whether to support it with my dollars, since the reviews are really mixed and I might just leave feeling even more disappointed than I did after TLJ. Plus, Jon Kasdan made some ridiculous comments about Lando's sexuality that really irked the canon purist in me.
Ugh
Exactly one reference to Lando Calrissian's sexuality has been made in the entirety of Star Wars canon, and that's that he flirted with Princess Leia. This in no way precludes the possibility of pansexuality which is "attraction regardless of gender."
Please don't make it out like adherence to canon is your reason for objecting to his statement, this is exactly what my Hearth thread was about.
Anyway
Solo looks pretty good so I'm torn. I promised myself I wouldn't support another Disney
Star Wars movie after being so let down by TLJ, and I definitely won't be seeing episode IX. I might see
Solo. Won't be opening week though.
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Actually, Lando flirted with Hera and possibly Sabine in Rebels, had an intimate relationship with an Imperial officer woman in a comic (although he had some ulterior motives in that case), and in the recent canon novel Last Shot, he has a serious girlfriend in the form of a Twi'lek woman, and he's considering settling down with her. He's always been portrayed as a womanizing straight man. Now Jon Kasdan claims he's attracted to anything and everything, including non-humanoid droids?! It's just an absurd retcon.
I also don't like the fact that so many people are justifying this by pointing to all the alien/human relationships in Star Wars and saying, "See, we already have pansexuality anyway, so why is this thing about Lando any different?" It's a blatant falsehood that attraction to an alien of the opposite sex makes a Star Wars character pansexual. It's far more akin to the interracial relationships we have in real life. A SW character would only be pansexual if they were indiscriminately interested in everyone regardless of their sex.
Yeah, I've given this a ton of thought over the past few days. xD
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Your lack of comprehension of the nature of pansexuality is astounding. Well no it isn't. But it's amusing that you state things about topics you clearly don't understand as if they were facts.
Pansexuality is not "indiscriminate attraction to everything," it's an attraction to personality, regardless of gender. Pansexuals are obviously attracted to physical characteristics, and have types much like most other people, but the deciding factor in whether they find someone attractive or not is who they are as a person. So attraction to a droid could make sense theoretically.
Also Lando being possibly attracted to Sabine is messed up. She's sixteen and he's like mid-twenties.
-_-
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The dictionary definition of 'pansexual' states: "not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity". So, basically, someone's sex is never a barrier for a pansexual. What I said obviously works within that definition. And Jon Kasdan certainly made it sound like Lando didn't really care who he got involved with! Thus, I used the word "indiscriminate" .
Honestly, I'm quite squicked out that it's suggested Lando wants a relationship with L3-37. ._.
And yeah, all I know is that Lando was talkin' smooth to Sabine (maybe that's just his default tone, though) and Ezra seemed jealous.
The writers should just make new LGBT characters instead of claiming that a character who has never been shown to be anything but a straight playboy is pan. I've read so many reactions from people, including quite a few LGBT people, who aren't at all pleased with this blatant pandering.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on May 22, 2018, 02:43:13 AM
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Actually, Lando flirted with Hera and possibly Sabine in Rebels, had an intimate relationship with an Imperial officer woman in a comic (although he had some ulterior motives in that case), and in the recent canon novel Last Shot, he has a serious girlfriend in the form of a Twi'lek woman, and he's considering settling down with her. He's always been portrayed as a womanizing straight man. Now Jon Kasdan claims he's attracted to anything and everything, including non-humanoid droids?! It's just an absurd retcon.
I also don't like the fact that so many people are justifying this by pointing to all the alien/human relationships in Star Wars and saying, "See, we already have pansexuality anyway, so why is this thing about Lando any different?" It's a blatant falsehood that attraction to an alien of the opposite sex makes a Star Wars character pansexual. It's far more akin to the interracial relationships we have in real life. A SW character would only be pansexual if they were indiscriminately interested in everyone regardless of their sex.
Yeah, I've given this a ton of thought over the past few days. xD
Umm I wouldn't say that relationships between alien species in star wars would be akin to interracial ones as these are members of different species not of "sub-species" or "races". So the relationships between different aliens or aliens and humans are more akin to having a relationship between a human and a non-human animal (interspeciel). Which is why I always found this aspect of star wars "weird".
The fact though that Twileaks and humans can successfully mate indicates they are very closely related and maybe even the same species if the offspring are fertile. But you also see in star wars that Hutts are attracted to human and"human like" women and its pretty clear the 2 can't reproduce. So this later case clearly illustrates the "weirdness" discussed above.
Redwall kind of handled this better where you see mice with mice, and badgers with badgers. Relationships between members of different species are friendships only or strictly "platonic". We never see a case directly where members of different species are romantically evolved. Although given the existence of the wearets and especially wearat (weasel and rat hybrid) in Redwall it must have happened...
Also in regards to Lando- I would agree with your characterization of him as a playboy or womanizer. In the canon he is arguably portrayed as a "hypersexual" character and that his primary motive seems to be to get, for lack of a better word, laid. Going by this personality trait I would find it strange that Lando would suddenly, especially when he was younger, be pansexual and most attracted to personality. However, him being attracted to anything (droid, male, female, human/alien) etc... could make sense and fit with older straight canon Lando. Especially if he was like this when he was young and then as he became older in order to "maintain his image" or something along that line he started to gravitate exclusively towards females.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on May 22, 2018, 03:06:46 AM
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The writers should just make new LGBT characters instead of claiming that a character who has never been shown to be anything but a straight playboy is pan.
Now that I agree with.
@Grond You have some interesting points there. Yeah, the idea of humans being in relationships with some of the more outlandish aliens is kinda weird, and I'd probably consider a human that wanted a relationship with an ugly non-humanoid to be pansexual (it's all pretty arbitrary, though, because just how weird-looking does the alien have to be before it counts as being pan? XD) It's just that Lando has never exhibited any actual signs of being pan, and this whole thing seems like a desperate grab for brownie points.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on May 22, 2018, 03:30:45 AM
Now that I agree with.
Finally, something we can both agree on! I knew this day would come! XD
Yeah, that was the main point I was trying to argue here: that you can't just rewrite canon characters to score points with some particular group. It's almost like Jon Kasdan hasn't really seen Rebels or something...
ANYWAY.
Did you guys know that a couple of goofy Legends characters are going to be canonized in this film? Their names are Tag and Bink, and they appeared in some parodyish comics (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars%3A_Tag_%26_Bink) that were never even canon within Legends. Jon Kasdan is actually gonna play one of the two.
Considering the other things the new faces of Star Wars have done. . . Rey being able to defeat Kylo, commanding the force powerfully, and fighting off Snoke's guards who are supposed to be trained killers, the best of the best, ALL WITHOUT ANY TEACHING OR TRAINING.
Mary Sue, much?
Luke, who was supposed to be the most powerful Jedi ever, had to be trained. His first fight with a lightsaber was disastrous. He tried, and failed, and tried, and failed, and learned, and grew, and was still imperfect after training under Yoda.
I don't mind strong female characters, but it seems like it's okay to make Rey like this just because she's female. :P
Thoughts?
Yeah, those things irk me about Rey too. I like her much more in the first movie - she seems way more interesting, personality-wise, as well as less overpowered. I don't know why, but she seems kind of bland in TLJ. Actually, most of TLJ is dull and bland. (I kind of want to watch it again, but I'll probably be mentally screaming the whole time at Holdo because I hate her storyline so much. And the Canto Bight sequence.)
There was something said in TLJ by Snoke or Kylo that suggested Snoke had known for a while that Kylo's equal in the Force would arise. Like the Force chose Rey to take on Kylo, which is why she's so powerful with zero training. It's kind of a cop-out.
It's a plot hole is what it is. Or plot armor.
Frankly, most of the new characters are pretty bland.
They also removed decades of expanded universe material and made it "legends", completely ignoring the fans' desires, made the hyperspace ram a thing. . . They could have used the old characters to much greater effect instead of removing them. People wanted those old heroes back, instead of new ones who are kind of developed before the story even started.
RIP Mara Jade :'(
TLJ was absolutely terrible in my opinion. TFA was fine; I thought it was a bit derivative, but it was still better than the prequels. TLJ, on the other hand, seems to delight in taking past Star Wars fans hopes, stomping them on the ground, and then gleefully burning them. Kylo Ren even references it. The writing was sloppy, the characterization was even worse, and the blatant disregard to the Star Wars universe was unacceptable.
Oh goodness, don't get me started on TLJ. At first, on walking out of the theater, my shock and disappointment were mainly about Luke dying. I couldn't believe it. Then the rest of the travesty slowly sank in. But out of all the horribleness, the main thing that persistently kills me is the Holdo manuever. I could almost forgive everything but that. It upsets absolutely everything in Star Wars. Ugh.
On another note, I just deliberately read a spoiler thing about a surprise cameo in Solo and oh my word. I'm so torn about whether to go see it now. I'm extremely tempted, even though I don't really want to give money to Disney and make them think they can keep making lame SW movies. :P
The whole plot of TLJ just doesn't make sense. You do not need fuel in a vacuum. Once propelled in a direction, you will continue to move at a constant speed until stopped. You do not need fuel.
That's just one of my many problems with TLJ.
. . . I want to die now.
Yeah. . . You would only need to get to the fastest speed you could go, then shut off the engines.
Not only that, didn't the First Order officer say that the rebel ship was lighter than theirs, and that's why they couldn't catch up? In space, I don't think that would cause an issue. . .
Or maybe I'm just as ignorant on the laws of gravity as the directors and writers of TFA and TLJ are.
The thing is, Star Wars ships have always required ongoing thrust to get places - at the very least, as far as I can recall, they've never mentioned the real-life fact that a ship would just keep moving forever in a vacuum. Thus, I'm willing to overlook that part of TLJ. The entire chase was logistically dumb for many other reasons as well. Anyway, maybe their space-vacuum is just different from ours. :P
Also: did you guys hear that the Boba Fett movie now has a director? Not sure how to feel about this. If they got Temuera Morrison back again and made him look a bit younger with the power of makeup, then it could be good, I guess. (Some website suggested that The Rock should play him, and I wanted to die.)
I just want the Obi-Wan movie.
THE ROCK? Are they serious? XD
Yeah, they were. I was horrified.
Just finished watching Empire Strikes Back.
Cool! Did you like it?
It was fine. Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with Star Wars. IV and V are decent sci-fi movies, but as great as Star Wars fans say they are.
1. Cultural significance. They were basically the first of their kind.
2. The archetypal characters. Sure this is also a negative, but the characters are distilled down to the very core of their archetypes (except Leia). The wise mentor, the chosen hero, the lovable rogue, the black knight and the evil wizard. They've also contributed a lot to pop culture. People often say that a rogue is "the Han Solo character" of the story.
3. The worlds and technology. The ships are all iconic now. And the worlds are all brilliantly realised. Okay so maybe I'm just thinking of Bespin. But you gotta admit Cloud City is awesome.
Saw Solo today. I thought it was a pretty good movie, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. It had some cringeworthy scenes but overall it was a pretty solid movie.
Dadgum Solo was good. It had such a classic Star Wars feel that I want to watch it over and over again. Maybe it was the heavy, heavy emphasis on actual real life props and sets or the expansive adventure all over the galaxy, but man it was good. Highly recommend.
I wonder what the whole stink about it is, then? I haven't cared to watch any of the raving videos.
Quote from: Delthion on May 29, 2018, 12:59:47 AM
It was fine. Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with Star Wars. IV and V are decent sci-fi movies, but as great as Star Wars fans say they are.
I think I've said this before, but anyway: Honestly, I agree that the original trilogy movies are just okay. (Although
Empire is really good.) I'm just way into the actual universe, plot, and characters the movies establish. My favorite Star Wars things are the two TV shows (and
Rogue One) since they explore the universe and have good writing. Heresy, I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Jetthebinturong @Gonff the Mousethief Solo spoiler
What did you guys think about the Darth Maul cameo?
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I thought it was fine, but I wish it wasn't there, and the CGI they used for him was awful. And he ignites his lightsaber for no apparent reason. But Maul does have a history of being a crime boss, so it makes a little sense.
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I saw a blurry clip of Maul online, and he did look a lot more... haggard. But was it really CGI? From what I can gather, he was played by Ray Park, just like in TPM (although he was voiced this time by Sam Witwer, his voice actor from Clone Wars). Whether or not they replaced his performance with CGI, I don't know.
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I agree with Jet. We know what happens to him in Rebels, and unless he is to show up in another movie, which I highly doubt, it's useless. Besides, there's lots of genuinely interesting criminal factions, like the Black Sun, that they could talk about (granted, the Shadow Collective was an interesting faction, but they were wiped out earlier. Unless they were rebuilt by Maul later... hm, this could work, perhaps).
Otherwise, it was an all around good movie. I didn't like L3-37 (and I will always make a point of typing her name out like that, because of what a stupid name it is). It was quite visually stunning. And I enjoyed most everything about it. Paul Bettany's character was a highlight, I must say.
I thought Solo was a 9/10, 8.5/10 at worst. Personally, I really liked it.
@Hickory Yeah, you're right that there'll be no real payoff for reintroducing Maul in this movie. I'm just extremely pleased and excited that the movies are finally acknowledging the shows' existence (Saw Gerrera doesn't really count). This opens up a whole world of possibilities and gives me hope that Ahsoka could actually make a live-action appearance at some point.
@Søren What did you think when Maul appeared? I know I would've been freaking out. ;D
I'd give it a 7.5/8. There were too many problems for it to be higher for me.
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I hate the Kessel Run scene - one, it's a rip off of Guardians of the Galaxy. Two, that monster does not belong in Star Wars, and nor does the Maw. And three, THE KESSEL RUN LINE WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE A LIE! It's in the script of A New Hope that Obi Wan is unimpressed by Han's attempt to big himself up. It was meant to make Han look like a cocky idiot. It was a brilliant piece of his character and now it's ruined forever.
Too much telling about Kira having changed, not enough showing.
L3 was annoying.
Maul's cameo was really poorly done.
I did love Paul Bettany's character though.
Also let's rank the Star Wars movies.
11. TLJ
10. RotS
9. TFA
8. AotC
7.
The Clone Wars movie
6. TPM
5.
Solo4.
A New Hope3.
Rogue One2.
Jedi1.
Empire0.
The Clone Wars TV series (like ten billion times better than any other SW media)
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Jet: If you're referring to the idea of a giant, anomalous gravity well, then yeah, it probably doesn't belong in Star Wars, but the Maw is a well-established Legends location with a fair amount of lore and a significant place in the Star Wars canon (before the decanonization). Of course, how much relevance it will still hold is in question, but I don't think Disney will completely ignore how much happened there in Legends, and since they do like taking Legends material and putting it in canon, who knows what will make it in.
As far as my take on the Kessel Run line goes, I think it would be something like this: Han Solo says that he made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. Han did it in twelve parsecs, not anything less, so perhaps Obi-Wan sees it as more of an exaggeration than fabrication.
People need to stop retconning the parsec line. It was a lie - Han thought a parsec was a unit of time. Han was trying to hype himself up. That's the canon. The real canon. No amount of retroactive explaining will change what was actually a good character-showing line.
I appreciate the value of the line building character, but I think that it can still show who Han is without meaning that he was lying. Han Solo was a great pilot, sure, and he'd probably use hyperbole whenever he could, inflating the truth instead of fabricating it completely.
And yes, I've read the script, and "obvious misinformation" doesn't have to mean that he's lying outright. If he is, than that takes away his crowning achievement (and perhaps his only real achievement at all): after all, as far as the new canon goes, the Kessel Run is really the only actually good piece of piloting he'd done before A New Hope (drifting on Corellia and managing to keep a transport aloft aren't that impressive, all things considered), and if you take it away, then he's just another smuggler. Sure, you can argue that not being a good pilot doesn't make Han any less of a good character, but leaving that detail in there isn't detrimental either.
Of course, the interpretation of the line is totally up to you, and I don't intend to force my interpretation onto you (although I'm sure Disney means otherwise).
Okay, this is somewhat random, but I just saw this on Twitter and remembered the Lando discussion that happened here a few days back. It's a quote from Lando that appeared in his canon comic, and it seems pretty straightforward.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De4SBQdXcAAkreV?format=jpg)
It would seem he's into women.
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I'm not any happier about it than you. In fact I'm pretty livid that Disney thinks that continually doing this (LeFou anyone?) is actually going to work. They're not interested in representation, they're too scared of being banned in China or Russia or Indonesia, or various other places. This isn't a good-natured attempt to introduce diversity to their movies, it's a calculated business move intended to pander to queer audiences with absolutely no intention of following through.
I just meant that your objection to it was not solely based on being a canon purist, as you have said many times that you don't really care about the original trilogy.
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Well, I may prefer the shows to the main movies these days (because the world within the movies feels so much smaller, and I've seen them so many times already), but I still care about the story. Canon discrepancies always bother me, especially when they're extremely blatant (like the Holdo maneuver... which I've decided to explain away with the handwavy idea that the Raddus happened to have some experimental Mon Calamari tech that enabled so much damage to occur XD). You're right that that isn't the only reason. But honestly, Kasdan's statements are so ridiculous in light of the actual canon, and it annoyed me terribly that he said this when there was evidence to the contrary. Guess it's a textbook example of queerbaiting.
Jet vs Jukka
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/f4b7/f/2009/175/9/1/fire_scythe__vs__fire_sword_by_mattthesamurai.gif)
Flame Wars: Return of the Salt
Wat.
...I didn't even think we were being crazy. xD
You weren't. I just really wanted to do it anyway.
Jet and Jukka and Skarzs
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a171685b32977795a63d5f97a3c05713/tenor.gif?itemid=4864519)
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I did like Maul, I wasn't freaking out because I knew the storyline already, but I was more fascinated than anything else.
@SørenAh, so you got spoiled for the movie beforehand? :/
I'm just so excited that they're incorporating more Clone Wars stuff into the movies now. XD
Also. re: the Lando comic discussion: the comic quote was not (as I first thought) from the 2015 comic, but rather from the
Solo tie-in Lando comic (https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/aba5c1ff16b5e1f2d0feda2fd6a3c45b/5BA7F8A3/t51.2885-15/e35/33917523_253024305433712_5404633807011708928_n.jpg). Just wanted to clear that up.
I can't believe Lando is recording himself and making some show he calls "The Calrissian Chronicles". Which is the title of some Legends novels. XD
"There's always a bit of truth in legends."
What is happening. (https://movieweb.com/last-jedi-remake-star-wars-fans-offer/)
It's such a crazy stupid idea, yet a good part of me wishes it would actually happen.
They aren't wanting to remake it themselves; they want to raise enough money that Disney will be convinced to remake it.
Whoa.
Seriously? Wow.
They'd need an exorbitant amount for it. Like, in the billions. They are, essentially, paying Disney to remake it, and Disney will want a lot for that (especially in the wake of Solo). 15 million is just a drop in the water for the Mouse.
Yup. Although, according to their website (https://www.remakethelastjedi.com), $85.4 million has already been pledged. Last night it was at $43 million. The only thing required to pledge is an email address, though, so obviously a lot of this is just trolling from the internet at large.
EDIT: In the several minutes it took me to compose that message, the total pledged went up to $86.6 million. WHAT IS HAPPENING.
Is it real money, though? O_O
I kind of wish it was, but I really doubt it. I could "pledge" a maximum of $10,000 right now with nothing more than an email address. They don't require any personal or financial information at the moment.
Currently, their site claims to have over $91.2 million pledged.
I stumbled upon an amazing piece of art (warning for gore) (https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/432/159/large/morgan-yon-11207-0-f1da0d58d8369391ca66d3c835c41589-morganyon.jpg?1473623000) by a guy named Morgan Yon. I love how it manages to tell an entire story.
Here's another piece he did (https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/432/161/large/morgan-yon-11207-1-85088bf0d516e201ad13745634d86dd5-morganyon.jpg?1473623007).
Dang. That first one.
Here's a great article (https://chrishernandezauthor.com/2017/12/31/admiral-holdo-wasnt-a-feminist-she-was-just-a-bad-leader/) I found explaining why Holdo was a terrible leader, not the feminist icon she's made out to be by some types. I'm so irritated that some people actually think she was an amazing leader who shut down the sexist, mansplaining Poe. The people who say that "SJW's are ruining Star Wars" have some valid cause for complaint.
Not really. The Last Jedi is in no way a feminist movie, because it has no compelling characters at all, and the female characters make just as many stupid decisions as the male characters. The Last Jedi sucks because it lacks a compelling narrative and throws away everything the series had going for it, whilst simultaneously destroying the message of the previous media. Saying it sucks because of some sort of SJW agenda is just creating a convenient shield for the people who defend the movie to hide behind and protect it from the many legitimate criticisms that people level at it. Buying into the "SJWs ruined Star Wars!" narrative is exactly what the series' proponents want. Sure you could say that the series has SJW fans (although the term SJW is still stupid and worthless), but that has nothing to do with the actual movies themselves.
Right, the female characters in TLJ make stupid decisions, but the thing is, they aren't
presented as stupid decisions. We're apparently meant to root for Holdo towards the end of her arc and condemn Poe's mutiny, despite the fact that everything Holdo did in the movie was obnoxious and unwise. (I know there are quite a few fans out there who applaud everything Holdo did and set her on a pedestal as an amazing feminist.) And several of the men in the movie do things that make them look stupid, while I don't really see that kind of thing with the female characters.
Yeah, it's true that some of the fans who like TLJ have a tendency to dismiss all critics of TLJ as narrow-minded people who don't like diversity or female characters in movies or something, which is completely false. But I don't think it's farfetched to say that there
is a social-justice element to the movie and a good number of its supporters. I don't know if you looked at the post I linked, but the first part of it is truly amazing:
QuoteVanity Fair published an article titled Star Wars: The Last Jedi Offers the Harsh Condemnation of Mansplaining We Need in 2017, in which Laura Dern declares "I think we're waking up to what we want feminism to look like." A website called Den of Geek wrote, "In The Last Jedi, Poe is presented as a character who needs to stop with the mansplaining and learn from the more seasoned female leaders in his life." MTV said "EPISODE VIII PROVES THAT WOMEN RUN THE GALAXY."
Oh goodness. I just found out that the music for Snoke in TFA is amazingly similar to the music when Palpatine's telling Anakin the tale of Darth Plagueis!!! This had to have been deliberate. In addition, during the San Diego Comic Con back in 2015, someone asked about Plagueis, at which Daisy Ridley looked at J.J. Abrams and asked, "Is that S-" before she stopped herself.
Makes me even more upset about TLJ than ever. I'm really glad that Abrams is doing IX. Hopefully he can retcon Snoke to be someone important and explain Rey's ridiculous Force ability in a better way beyond "she read Kylo's mind and downloaded his Force powers" (this is actually in the novelization). I'd be almost okay with the Force stuff Rey did in TLJ /except/ for lifting three tons of boulders at the end with no strain. Absolutely absurd. That's stuff I doubt many prequel-era Jedi could do.
I just keep reading stuff about TLJ and find out even more plot holes and nonsense every day. I know now that the novelization attempted to explain the Holdo maneuever with some stuff about "augmented experimental shields" and hyperspace coordinates - the excerpt's online if anyone wants to read it - but it's not a satisfactory answer. And there's so many random other things that are just bad. It's just weird how quickly Finn and Rose decide that they're being tracked from the main ship and instantly know how to take it down. (And I'm upset that they keep making Finn the FO's janitor. He canonically did tons of battle training and received top marks, as shown in the book Before the Awakening.)
There's so much random other stuff too, like when Finn tells Poe they're being tracked from the lead ship, Poe's immediately just like, "okay, let's take the ship out!" Like, what? Snoke's ship is enormous! And Finn replies, "I like where you're heading, but no. They'd only start tracking us from another Destroyer." And their whole mutiny they decide on afterwards hinges on the assumption that they're /only/ being tracked by the FO's lead ship, which is a huge assumption to make, since apparently the FO's other ships have hyperspace tracking abilities too! And why didn't Maz tell them the Master Codebreaker's name and species? Real helpful.
There's so much more beyond what I've listed. The movie's okay until you go online and read some criticism, then it falls apart on so many levels. It's a car crash.
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Quote from: Jukka the Sling on July 03, 2018, 01:38:59 AM
Oh goodness. I just found out that the music for Snoke in TFA is amazingly similar to the music when Palpatine's telling Anakin the tale of Darth Plagueis!!! This had to have been deliberate. In addition, during the San Diego Comic Con back in 2015, someone asked about Plagueis, at which Daisy Ridley looked at J.J. Abrams and asked, "Is that S-" before she stopped herself.
Makes me even more upset about TLJ than ever. I'm really glad that Abrams is doing IX. Hopefully he can retcon Snoke to be someone important and explain Rey's ridiculous Force ability in a better way beyond "she read Kylo's mind and downloaded his Force powers" (this is actually in the novelization). I'd be almost okay with the Force stuff Rey did in TLJ /except/ for lifting three tons of boulders at the end with no strain. Absolutely absurd. That's stuff I doubt many prequel-era Jedi could do.
I just keep reading stuff about TLJ and find out even more plot holes and nonsense every day. I know now that the novelization attempted to explain the Holdo maneuever with some stuff about "augmented experimental shields" and hyperspace coordinates - the excerpt's online if anyone wants to read it - but it's not a satisfactory answer. And there's so many random other things that are just bad. It's just weird how quickly Finn and Rose decide that they're being tracked from the main ship and instantly know how to take it down. (And I'm upset that they keep making Finn the FO's janitor. He canonically did tons of battle training and received top marks, as shown in the book Before the Awakening.)
There's so much random other stuff too, like when Finn tells Poe they're being tracked from the lead ship, Poe's immediately just like, "okay, let's take the ship out!" Like, what? Snoke's ship is enormous! And Finn replies, "I like where you're heading, but no. They'd only start tracking us from another Destroyer." And their whole mutiny they decide on afterwards hinges on the assumption that they're /only/ being tracked by the FO's lead ship, which is a huge assumption to make, since apparently the FO's other ships have hyperspace tracking abilities too! And why didn't Maz tell them the Master Codebreaker's name and species? Real helpful.
There's so much more beyond what I've listed. The movie's okay until you go online and read some criticism, then it falls apart on so many levels. It's a car crash.
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Yeah that's one of thing of many that irked about the new Star Wars is how inept they make the antagonists. Its also a thing that annoyed me with Redwall. Its also accompanied by a lack of any strategy the protagonists win because they're just so much better and completely walk over their enemies. It takes a lot of depth and struggle out of the plot. Its even worse when it makes zero sense for that to be the case.
Take the fight between Ren and Rey in the forest on starkiller base in episode 7. By that point Ren likely had years if not decades of training and combat experience in using a light saber. He is also described as extremely talented in the force. Yet Rey, who at that point had zero training in light saber combat, defeats him easily. Then in the TLJ I think even Luke says that Rey is Ren's opposite in the force- light vs. dark and they're powers are seen as equal. As she did many of the same force feats that he did when Luke started training him. If this is the case then the fight on the starkiller base planet should have had the opposite ending...
Yeah, the First Order is totally inept in TLJ. :/ (And the movie completely de-fanged Hux. I hate what they did to him. Apparently it was the actor's idea to have that little scene of him about to shoot Kylo, and I'm so glad it was there. I hope he returns to his normal self in IX.)
See, I can kinda hand-wave Rey beating Kylo in TFA, since he'd just taken a shot from Chewie's bowcaster (that was established to be capable of throwing stormtroopers like rag dolls), and he was also unbalanced from killing his father. But TLJ Rey is absolutely absurd. Suddenly she's able to lift dozens of boulders at once with barely any strain, and she took out THREE TIEs in ONE SHOT the first time she ever used the Falcon's cannon! Luke literally never did anything of the kind on his first try, and he's the son of the Chosen One!
But yeah, TLJ messed up so badly in so many ways. It's incredible how much damage control the novelization and comic have been doing to patch up the problems (like, the comic adaptation had Holdo actually tell Poe "I have a plan", which is a vast improvement over the movie. And I learned that the novel includes some technical details to explain away the Holdo maneuver as a one-off occurrence with stuff about hyperspace coordinates and "augmented experimental shields", none of which were mentioned in the film). I really think Rian Johnson should have had a co-writer.
JUST CAME HERE TO POST THAT. EXCITED IS A COMPLETE UNDERSTATEMENT. I WAS 90% SURE THAT SOMETHING WOULD BE ANNOUNCED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE SHOW AT SDCC BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE I WAS RIGHT. *hyperventilating*
Kewl. Looks like they've improved their animation.
Given Anakin's hair and Obi-Wan's robes, it might not be too much of a stretch to hope that this leads right into Revenge of the Sith like the original 2003 series did.
I can't wait to see the Bad Batch come to fruition, as well as the Siege of Mandalore. 12 new episodes is hardly enough, but it shall satiate me for now. :P
Yeah I think they're gonna do the Crystal Crisis arc, the Bad Batch arc and the Siege of Mandalore arc. The first two I'm disappointed by, since I wanted to see the arcs we haven't seen yet. Son of Dathomir would have been my first choice.
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-cast-announced
CARRIE FISHER IS RETURNING THROUGH UNSEEN FOOTAGE FROM TFA AND MARK HAMILL IS ALSO RETURNING AND SO IS BILLY DEE WILLIAMS. AND THERE ARE THREE NEW ACTORS CAST.
MakingStarWars.net has reported a rumor that Jon Favreau's live-action show will be about Mandalore after the fall of the Empire. Their information is from a source who's proven reliable in the past.
...I seriously hope this is true. I'm so excited.
Not sure what to think of this... it honestly gives me Voltron: Legendary Defender vibes (no, I haven't yet seen that show).
That animation style is never going to work. I wish studios would just give up on it.
Oh gosh.
Give me the old Warner Bros Justice League animated series style. It just makes everything better.
That trailer now has over 30,000 dislikes and counting. Hardly anyone likes it. It's crazy.
Well, there was some more Star Wars: Resistance content released on Youtube this week:
If there's anything that I like about it, it's the T-85. Starfighter designs are awesome, and I'm curious to learn all about the new one, especially since it's the mainstay fighter of the New Republic. Maybe we'll see some other cool NR designs in the show, though I doubt that it'll happen (Nebula-class is probably too much to ask for...). And the modified starfighter designs these pilots use are a little interesting, though probably nothing more than eye candy.
Honestly... the more I've seen of the show, the more it's (kind of) begun to grow on me. Neeku, at least, looks like a really funny, lovable character. I'm not totally on board yet, but I'll definitely still watch it, and I hope the show turns out to have depth after a while like Rebels.
On a related note, MakingStarWars.net has been sharing set photos from the upcoming live-action Star Wars show. They've also reported a rumor that Dave Filoni will be directing two episodes of the first season!!!
EDIT: The show's title was just announced as The Mandalorian and it will follow the exploits of a gunslinger in the Outer Rim. https://www.instagram.com/p/BofTUzhBtrZ/?hl=en&taken-by=jonfavreau
HUGE UPDATE. A still from the show has been released, along with a list of directors for the first season!!! Best of all, not only is Dave Filoni directing the first episode, he's also one of the EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS! And Taika Waititi is gonna direct an episode, along with Bryce Dallas Howard(?!) and some other people that I don't really know. https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-revealed
So I honestly believe Disney has been milking it waaay too much. They're trying to produce too much content all crammed together. It's like "oh, new show!" The Mandalorian, which actually sounds pretty cool. But then they announce that there's going to be a new Cassian tv series. Then Rian Johnson plans to create a whole new trilogy! Like, what on earth is happening?
no love lost on my part. it was never good to begin with, some were just more terrible than others ;D
Quote from: The Witessss on February 20, 2019, 03:23:07 AM
no love lost on my part. it was never good to begin with, some were just more terrible than others ;D
May I ask why you think so?
absolutely. not a huge fan of the aliens themselves, i thought the prequels stunk b/c they had tech they didn't have in the 'later' movies, things are sooooo cheesy, and it sounded like they did things to fill the space, i didn't like the way Amidala's hair was always weird, i think that for what the 4, 5, and 6 for what they were the plot was fine, but the story wasn't all that great.. yeah, i can understand why people might like it, but never been a fan. ;)
I actually do kinda agree with you on how the tech was more advanced in the prequals. But looking back I think Revenge of The Sith wasn't bad. That's just my opinion.
I have only ever seen the original two and some of the new ones. They have been okay but not good enough for me to become a fan...
What really made me a hardcore fan wasn't so much the movies as it was the TV shows. I highly recommend Star Wars: The Clone Wars if you've seen the prequels. Star Wars Rebels is another awesome show. And they're both just as canon as the movies.
I'm honestly not a fan of the newest movies either, by the way, with the exception of Rogue One. The Last Jedi was horrible.
The opposite with my brothers, they have never seen any of the tv shows and like all the movies except Rouge One...
The Clone Wars destroys all other Star Wars media. Canon media anyway, I know nothing about the EU. Rogue One is easily the best film after Empire.
To tell the truth I don't really care much for any of them...
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on February 21, 2019, 02:12:21 PM
What really made me a hardcore fan wasn't so much the movies as it was the TV shows.
I highly recommend Star Wars: The Clone Wars if you've seen the prequels.
actually we have all of them on disc, and my siblings like to watch them, but still, not a fan.
Quote from: Sheev Palpatine on February 21, 2019, 01:50:38 AM
I actually do kinda agree with you on how the tech was more advanced in the prequals.
What're you referring to?
nothing i can think of on the spur of the moment, but sometime i can go back and look at it..
I'm not sure why I still pay attention to updates for the sequel trilogy, but I guess I keep hoping IX will fix TLJ's mistakes.
So, anyway, a poster for IX has been leaked. Spoilers for new characters and designs! (https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/b6fyhn/actual_high_quality_version_of_the_poster)
Rey retains her odd, impractical half-sleeve robe-thing that is some of the most ridiculous clothing I've seen in this franchise. Finn continue to dress in a bland jacket, though not the one Poe gave him, it seems. Kylo Ren has apparently made himself a new helmet, which is both good and bad. Poe looks like Oscar Isaac's character from Triple Frontier. New TIE fighter designs that look just as inane as the dozens of designs from Legends.
Rey does have Anakin's Luke's lightsaber, however, so I guess that's getting remade.
The low quality makes it hard to distinguish all the new details of the stormtroopers at the bottom, but I imagine it's just gimmicky new armor to sell toys, same as the shoretroopers from Rogue One.
What I find by far most interesting is the Knights of Ren, who have gotten no screen time aside from their brief moment in TFA. Fingers crossed that they aren't brutally slaughtered like the Praetorian Guard in TLJ... though I get the feeling that it'll happen anyway. Cool design anyhow.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
You gotta love how out of Luke, Leia, and Han, the only one the writers decided not to kill off in some stupid arbitrary way is the one whose original actor is actually dead. Can't wait for creepy CGI Carrie Fisher. :-|
Boi, this gun start some fires.
I have to admit, the trailer is actually kinda lit and gets me a little bit hyped in spite of myself. Then I just make myself remember that TLJ had good trailers and that it ended up terrible, as well as the fact that this movie follows up on that abomination and makes Rey a full-fledged Jedi after zero training, and then I'm not so excited anymore.
We must stay strong and boycott this to let Lucasfilm know that TLJ was a wreck. The only thing they understand is money, and if IX underperforms, it'll let them know that they messed up. We can't let the new films continue like this. (And we can't let Rian Johnson keep the trilogy he's got coming up. If we boycott IX, hopefully they'll see that it was because of TLJ and dump him.)
Also, the IX title is literally the worst thing I have ever heard. It makes it sound like a fan film.
Okay now that looks awesome. Hope it'll be on PS4 because if I ever do get a current gen console, that's what it'll be. Do EA have exclusivity deals with Xbox? Is that a thing? I think I heard that's a thing? Could be wrong though.
Why always a blue lightsaber though? Why so basic and boring? Can't we at least have green? Yellow would be my ideal but that's never gonna happen.
Green would be good.
New trailer for Clone Wars Season 7 y'all!
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on April 15, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
Okay now that looks awesome. Hope it'll be on PS4 because if I ever do get a current gen console, that's what it'll be. Do EA have exclusivity deals with Xbox? Is that a thing? I think I heard that's a thing? Could be wrong though.
EA doesn't; I believe it's Microsoft games that are exclusive to Xbox, since that's the company's flagship console.
As for the Clone Wars trailer: Still excited to see Bad Batch and Siege of Mandalore content, also interested to see what happens with Ahsoka. Again, a shame that it's so short, but beggars can't be choosers.
*Gets killed by angry mob of Star Wars fans*
I don't agree with everything in the video, but there are some good points
Right well I don't care what Ben Shapiro has to say about anything, but you are aware that most people here are not fans of The Last Jedi and won't attack you for not liking it, right?
Most is not all ;)
I have problems with both sequel movies.
I'm not even going to watch episode IX. TLJ destroyed my good will for the sequel trilogy. I'll watch the anthology films though, if there are more of them.
I saw the Shapiro video a while back just for kicks, and, while I appreciate his dislike for it, one thing that always bugged me was that he calls Leia's Force-pull scene "flying", saying that it's a plot hole because why didn't the Emperor fly back up the shaft in RotJ if flying is a thing now. But like... it wasn't flying. She was in zero-gravity and just pulled herself back to the ship. XP Sure, the scene looked bad aesthetically, but it's not as lore-breaking as he made it out to be.
I'll probably watch IX later once I can get access to it for free. Because I am a bit curious about it, but not enough to support it financially.
If it was zero gravity how did dropping the bombs work since it was not like they were propelled or anything?
The ships likely exert their own gravitational pull. A fairly weak one, but one nonetheless. That should be sufficient to attract the bombs.
One of the visual guidebooks explained it away by saying the bombs are magnetic.
Star Wars is my favorite. Long live the clones! (If they weren't dead)
Which Star Wars movie is your favorite, Jack?
Uhhhh...
I like them all, but I think Return of the Jedi is my favorite.
Oh, cool!
Quote from: Tungro on April 25, 2019, 11:32:20 PM
If it was zero gravity how did dropping the bombs work since it was not like they were propelled or anything?
This is a months-late response, but it's generally taken that because ships in Star Wars have their own artificial gravity (ubiquitous amongst every spacefaring vessel), then the bombs fell out under the influence of that gravity and continued towards the ship by momentum.
Anyway. This is quite late, but here's the gameplay for the new game coming out:
Speakin' o' jolly ole' games, I once dug up a really flippin' old star-wars X-Wing game, wot wot.
@Hickory Aww yeah, Saw Gerrera! This game is looking so good. I probably won't play it (don't have a computer good enough right now), but just watching the gameplay... man, the landscapes and everything are so pretty, and the whole thing just
feels like Star Wars.
On another note, there are new rumors saying that Disney+ is finally going to do a Kenobi series. Ewan McGregor is supposedly in talks to act and maybe direct.
It looks decent, but it doesn't look like the game that was originally advertised. I was expecting a game about a lone Jedi on the run from the Empire, not an active freedom fighter. Also it's ridiculously Assassin's Creed in terms of playstyle, mechanics and animation.
I'm intrigued by the main dude's lightsaber though. The handle looks slightly longer than normal, which suggests it might be double-bladed.
The game looks really good, but I agree with Jet, it's not the same as the original advertising. it still looks good, though!
Though I disagree that the original reveal trailer hinted at one plot or another, I don't especially mind the shift to freedom fighter. Overdone, sure – Rebels is similar in more ways than one – but it could make for a promising game, even if it doesn't break new ground. And since we aren't getting another KOTOR any time soon, I'm more than willing to take what's given. Hell, I wanted an RPG where you aren't a Jedi, or a game where you serve the Empire (without defecting), but this game is ultimately for profit. Beggars can't be choosers, unfortunately.
I don't either, and RPGs are always good. However, if there was just something not in the OT and just in the Clone Wars, everything would be wonderfully better.
I don't either, and RPGs are always good. However, if there was just something not in the OT and just in the Clone Wars, everything would be wonderfully better.
Edit: Whoops, I accidentally clicked the quote button instead of the modify button. Sorry.
I saw it earlier. I will see this when it comes out.
Same. Looks pretty good.
ALSO: a Kenobi series has officially been announced!!! I may or may not have screamed when I found out.
Final trailer, pals.
Spoiler
My thoughts spoke to me. I believe that Darth Sidious is not really himself. Perhaps (this may or may not be awful) he cloned himself. I'm speaking of some old despicable Legends book placed many rotations from the past.
Looks awesome!
If I'm being honest... Disney kinda butchered star wars.
I do believe certain things Disney has done to the fandom were detrimental to it's health. That being said, they have mended wounds placed on the franchise as well.
They have.
Quote from: Sheev Palpatine on October 22, 2019, 07:49:28 PM
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My thoughts spoke to me. I believe that Darth Sidious is not really himself. Perhaps (this may or may not be awful) he cloned himself. I'm speaking of some old despicable Legends book placed many rotations from the past.
I take it you're referring to Dark Empire?
I don't remember the title, for I only briefly had hearing of this book.
I'm sure some of you have seen the first four episodes of the Mandalorian show. It was good!
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Baby yoda is so cute! I am a little annoyed that he was able to stop that Mud Horn critter from ramming into our fair hero with the Force. And Luke took thirty-three seconds to lift his lightsaber two inches away from his hand. But besides that, it was good!
I have seen the first few episodes of The Mandalorian. They are pretty good. Though I am told the latest takes the space western feel to far.
The Force Awakens was great, but the Last Jedi was horrible and just from seeing the trailer for Rise of Skywalker I don't even really want to see it.
Quote from: Hickory on August 21, 2019, 12:32:59 AM
Though I disagree that the original reveal trailer hinted at one plot or another, I don't especially mind the shift to freedom fighter. Overdone, sure – Rebels is similar in more ways than one – but it could make for a promising game, even if it doesn't break new ground. And since we aren't getting another KOTOR any time soon, I'm more than willing to take what's given. Hell, I wanted an RPG where you aren't a Jedi, or a game where you serve the Empire (without defecting), but this game is ultimately for profit. Beggars can't be choosers, unfortunately.
It isn't a video game, but there are TTRPGs out there for this kind of thing.
Quote from: Tungro on December 05, 2019, 06:01:47 PM
The Force Awakens was great, but the Last Jedi was horrible and just from seeing the trailer for Rise of Skywalker I don't even really want to see it.
(My opinion)
Both films weren't that good.
The Last Jedi at least had originality. I really did not like certain parts though.
The Force Awakens was just a newer version of
A New Hope. So, nothing original there. But I still have to go with what's canon.
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Quote from: Tungro on December 05, 2019, 06:01:47 PM
The Force Awakens was great, but the Last Jedi was horrible and just from seeing the trailer for Rise of Skywalker I don't even really want to see it.
(My opinion)
Both films weren't that good. The Last Jedi at least had originality. I really did not like certain parts though. The Force Awakens was just a newer version of A New Hope. So, nothing original there. But I still have to go with what's canon.
I mostly didn't like it for the amount of political opinion shoved into it.
And what was with the stupid actions of Rose at the end?
"Saving what we love"
"doesn't realize the entire resistance base is blowing up because of her selfish impulsive actions"
Leaks are out for
The Rise of Skywalker, and oh boy, it sounds worse than TLJ. I'm not joking.
The major leaks (SPOILERS, obviously)
Don't say I didn't warn you
So Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter. Palpatine somehow survived (it's not really explained how -- maybe it's just his spirit?). He was Snoke all along and has other clones of Snoke or something. There's also a scene where Rey hears the voices of Jedi who have come before, among them Anakin (voiced by Hayden) and Ahsoka, which is cool. Leia dies somehow during the movie. So does Hux, because he betrays Kylo and lets Finn and Poe escape. In the final battle Rey dies, but Kylo gives his life force to heal her. Before he dies, they kiss. I'm not kidding. This is fanfic-levels of craziness right here. Anyway, the galaxy is saved, two lesbian Resistance members kiss, and Rey adopts the name of Skywalker and goes to bury Luke's(?) lightsabers on Tatooine for some inexplicable reason. She sees the Force ghosts of Luke and Leia. It's left ambiguous as to whether or not she's gonna live there permanently.
I'm so mad. I would be madder if I hadn't basically given up on the sequels after TLJ, but still. Kylo dying is the worst possible thing. He's the last Skywalker, and you just... kill him off? It's so utterly depressing to have the Skywalker line end so horribly. Not to mention that it's just Vader all over again! Do something a little different, for crying out loud!
What even was the point of this trilogy? It tore Han, Luke, and Leia down, then killed them and the last remaining Skywalker descendant off for NO. REASON. TFA WAS BASIC BUT HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL. WHY DID THINGS HAVE TO GO THIS WAY.
.....
I don't want to see the movie now, I was hoping it would be good....
Personally, I'm staying away from all spoilers. Regardless of whether it's good or bad, I still feel like I have to see it in hopes that it'll be good. If I don't see it, then it feels like I've given up on the series.
I am going to go see it with my brothers, but now all my hope is down the drain
Angry rant about the new movie that you might not agree with
Yeah, look, I did not enjoy The Rise of Skywalker at ALL. I for one appreciated The Last Jedi, I was of the opinion that if you were going to resurrect a franchise it should be revitalised and done differently, otherwise there is no point. And that's what I thought The Last Jedi did- it made the series feel refreshing and new. I didn't like The Force Awakens much for the same reasons I liked The Last Jedi, I thought it was way too much like the originals to the point it didn't need to exist. And The Rise of Skywalker was the same- it was just blanket fan service in the place of an engaging movie. It completely ignored the existence of the last two movies. It moved so fast there was no time to dwell on what was happening, making the whole thing feel completely soulless. And that KISS made my blood boil, that should NEVER have happened. Not happy.
I wanna know what's happening. But I can't.
Saw Rise of Skywalker yesterday. It was meh. Every time something good would happen, I would be like "Wow, this could be great" but right after something would remind me that, "Oh, this is by Disney"
7.6 ~ The Force Awakens
2.2 ~ The Last Jedi
4.3 ~ Rise of Skywalker
As someone who hated TLJ, Rise of Skywalker repaired the damage. It was a good movie, with a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy and the saga as a whole.
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on December 19, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
It completely ignored the existence of the last two movies.[/spoiler
You mean like how TLJ ignored TFA? ::)
*Gives an off-topic wave*
It's been a little while. Welcome back!
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Quote from: DanielofRedwall on December 19, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
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It completely ignored the existence of the last two movies.
You mean like how TLJ ignored TFA? ::)
At least the plot of TLJ followed on from TFA, even if it was not in the expected manner. TROS could have happened at any point in the sequel trilogy and it wouldn't have been out of place.
*Yelps with joyous attitude*
Guys, I found this great online synopsis of The Rise of Skywalker.
It was kinda short over there but it takes up some space here.
Spoiler
(https://cleanmemes.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/your-star-wars-movie.jpg?w=840)
Really... You feel no hype regarding Clone Wars season 7?
I have very little interest in Star Wars altogether.
Then why (months ago) did you insist that Force lightning was a "Sith only skill"?
1. One can argue about a subject whilst having little interest in it and very little knowledge of it.
2.The most popular media of Star Wars (the original six) do not, as best as I remember, contain any examples of Jedi using force lightning.
3. I'd have to imagine that precious few examples of this exist in the extended universe.
4.Proof of 1.
*Facepalms* Verdauga, I did not mean the Jedi had Force lightning. (Though (I'm speaking of Legends) (because I am starting to despise Disney) Plo Koon, (A Jedi) used a lighter version of Force lightning called "Electric Judgement".) I meant the Sith were not the only dark side users who harnessed it.
In legends Luke also used a form of force lightening, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, but the EU has been pretty much thrown in the trash now, though, so....
Yeah but Disney canon is worse so who cares?
I kinda agree with you.
^
Legends isn't official canon, so....
I am not a huge fan of Disney, but it is tolerable. Plus they have also brought life to the franchise that was pretty inactive otherwise. While things like Last Jedi were horrible, the Force Awakens, Madelorian, ect were pretty good. Plus they are now giving us a new season of Clone Wars and an Obi show.
Clone Wars doesn't count as Disney canon. It was started before they bought Lucasfilm, and all of what is going to be released was planned before then anyway.
Also Force Awakens wasn't terrible in isolation, but with the context of the rest of the series, it is retroactively bad.
Wasn't The Force Awakens just a remake of A New Hope?
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on February 04, 2020, 07:13:26 PM
Clone Wars doesn't count as Disney canon. It was started before they bought Lucasfilm, and all of what is going to be released was planned before then anyway.
Also Force Awakens wasn't terrible in isolation, but with the context of the rest of the series, it is retroactively bad.
Er, the 2008 Clone Wars movie and TV show is definitely canon. Unless you mean the 2003 series.
It wasn't made by Disney is my point. They don't have any actual claim to it.
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Commander Fox is one of the coolest clones in the Republic.
Cool as he may be, he willingly hunted both Ahsoka and Fives and killed the latter, which is enough to earn the ire of most people in the fandom. He just sort of comes across as the dumb, obedient commander.
Quote from: Hickory on March 04, 2020, 01:32:24 AM
He just sort of comes across as the dumb, obedient commander.
That's why I love him. Is it also possible that people hate him because he had a nice home on Coruscant, and wasn't in the thicket of battle? That wasn't his fault.
No people hate him 'cause he killed Fives.
Five's was acting like an eternal crazy boi. I can't blame Fox.
:-\
^-^
So, has anybody else been watching the new Clone Wars episodes?
But of course, Hickory! I have enjoyed them. Though, something about each one seems just a tad rushed. Just a tad.
Yea, they are good but definitely rushed
I have been watching them. I'm still enjoying them, so there's that.
Has anyone else seen the Mandalorian? I recently watched the first season, and they did a good job on it, I think. The CGI was good, and what was cool is that they used a lot of actual masks and costumes for alien characters in it, when in the latest movies they were doing more and more CGI. It just makes it feel a lot more like the original trilogy with the cheesy rubber masks and puppets.
Yes, it was probably one of my favorite things to come out of Disney. The acting was great, the worldbuilding was great, the storytelling was great, there was nothing wrong with it (maybe besides Baby Yoda becoming such a big hit). Personally I liked how the Mandalorian communicated with the Tusken Raiders, it was an interesting look into that culture that offered a new perspective.
The RvB-style scout troopers were pretty funny as well.
I need to watch that series... My family just got Disney+ (Or more accurately I just arrived to where my family has Disney+), so I think I will probably be doing that very soon.
Quote from: Hickory on April 07, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Yes, it was probably one of my favorite things to come out of Disney. The acting was great, the worldbuilding was great, the storytelling was great, there was nothing wrong with it (maybe besides Baby Yoda becoming such a big hit). Personally I liked how the Mandalorian communicated with the Tusken Raiders, it was an interesting look into that culture that offered a new perspective.
The RvB-style scout troopers were pretty funny as well.
Oh yeah, they were great.
I rather liked the baby Yoda. He's so smol.
Did y'all hear the news? Ahsoka is going to be in The Mandalorian season two!!! They've cast someone named Rosario Dawson, who has long expressed interest in playing her were there ever to be an opportunity.
I'm really excited, but also a little concerned, because Ashley Eckstein's voice is so identifiable, and if Dawson sounds too different from her, it might be hard to buy into the performance (for me, at least). Idk. Guess we'll see.
As pleased as I am that a beloved character from the cartoon is getting a live-action portrayal, I can't help but feel a bit peeved. I liked the Mandalorian because it was so divorced from existing storylines and characters, which freed it up to explore new plots and new settings. And while I don't necessarily think Ahsoka's addition will impede that, I do think that it is unnecessary. I've always advocated for a clear distinction from existing works when creating spin-offs (in my case, when writing fanfiction), so perhaps I'm just biased here – not to mention how much I've wanted a show that doesn't include a major Force-sensitive character, which Ahsoka seems posed to threaten. But we'll see.
The latest Clone Wars episode was exquisite! ^-^ It had to be one of the best things crafted by Dave Filoni's hands.
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However much we dislike it, the Disney rubbish is the real canon.
That being said, Clone Wars season 7 is based on the unfinished arcs of the series that they were already planning, and written and created by the original showrunners. So it is accurate to their original vision for the show.
Speaking of, the latest episode (Episode 10) was even better than the last one. Sam Witwer's stunning performance as Maul was definitely the highlight – it's amazing how much he's helped to bring the character to life over the years. Certainly one of the best performances in the show, if not Star Wars altogether.
I definitely feel that the Clone Wars series really fleshes out the Star Wars universe and adds a lot of complexity which (due to the constraints of the medium) simply isn't present. Multifacted political situations, a closer look at the function of the Jedi in the Republic, a humane representation of clone troopers (who, usually, are the best characters), and of course the brilliant character of Ahsoka Tano.
I just finished watching episode 11, and it's undoubtedly one of the best episodes ever made for The Clone Wars. The acting, the visuals, and the story are all impeccably done, all bolstered by Kevin Kiner's incredible score. Dee Bradley Baker and Ashley Eckstein both gave riveting and compelling performances as well. I hope that Disney recognizes the impact these episodes have had on the fans and they continue to produce more, because this is some of the highest quality Star Wars content produced outside of the films and it's something I want to see more of. I would rather a single new season of Clone Wars than an entire Rebels or Resistance series.
"Outside the films."
Nah, the films pale in comparison to some of the best episodes.
Deary me! The latest episode was so glorious in all aspects. I am truly stunned at the splendor of Dave Filoni's prowess. :)
I grew up watching the clone wars. It's my favorite show of all time.
There was this scene that I remember really well. This was in season 4 or 5, in the Krell arc. I don't remember all the details, but that one line that Fives said is still in my head somewhere. "We are not a bunch of unthinking droids!" Eh, it's not the best line in the season, but it's pretty good.
Deary Me! This latest 22 minute block buster was exquisite in every known quality. Dave may work for Disney, but his grey matter exceeds 96 cubits in volume. He clearly had a wide intellectual boost over his teen years. ^-^
Just watched the last episode of Clone Wars. Man. . . was that good. The action scenes, how they showcased Maul's power in the force, the sadness with knowing it could end no other way, the music. . . Probably my favorite episode ever. Absolutely loved it.
Right? It was so so so good. I can't believe it's all over. Ugh, it was such a good episode. The animation, the music, everything. When the credits rolled, Sheev and I just sat there and didn't move, staring at the screen for a good minute or so, not wanting to break the spell. I'm still not over it. I need more.
Maybe it's time to embark on a rewatch of Rebels in an effort to fill the void in my heart...
Rebels was meh. I only watched it for Maul and Ashoka (that was good)
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on May 06, 2020, 04:21:17 AM
Right? It was so so so good. I can't believe it's all over. Ugh, it was such a good episode. The animation, the music, everything. When the credits rolled, Sheev and I just sat there and didn't move, staring at the screen for a good minute or so, not wanting to break the spell. I'm still not over it. I need more.
I suppose that's another part of what makes it so good: It's the end of a story. It feels complete, even if it's sad.
I should probably watch this one day, so I know what everyone is talking about. I've watched a few episodes, but not the entire tv series yet. :P
If you have the time and no commitments, or reservations about spending hours upon hours watching the whole series, do it.
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So... What are the best Star Wars movies? ::)
the rise of skywalker and the empire strikes back
I am not a big fan of most of the movies but I like The Clone Wars and The Mandalorian!
Quote from: Corporal Rubbadub on May 08, 2020, 06:44:46 PM
the rise of skywalker
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Quote from: Verdauga on February 01, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
Guys, I found this great online synopsis of The Rise of Skywalker.
It was kinda short over there but it takes up some space here.
Spoiler
(https://cleanmemes.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/your-star-wars-movie.jpg?w=840)
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 08, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
So... What are the best Star Wars movies? ::)
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Well, in my opinion Episode V and IV, III and I, and Rogue One are the best Star Wars movies.
The sequel trilogy was'nt good.
The movies themselves were impressive, but the stories definitely needed work
And your thoughts on The Mandalorian?
i only watched first few episodes of the mandalorian
I just finished the last one today. I thought they were pretty good.
I watched the first episode and was really impressed. The aesthetics are soooooo good! It just feels like Star Wars. I got to the second one, where the super-epically-unbeatable-mandalorian-bounty-hunter got his rear handed to him by a bunch of Jawas, however, and that spoiled the mood for me. I have yet to come back to it, but I definitely am going to finish it. I'm sure it's good, I just couldn't get past the Jawas :D
Lol. Yeah. You should.
Ironically, I'm playing a Jawa in a Start Wars RPG.
Don't mess with us, man. We're dangerous.
Start Wars: Return of the Power Button
Who was your favorite SW character?
Han Solo from the OT, for sure. In the entire canon, that's a much more difficult question- and one that gets even more convoluted if you include the old EU.
Who was your least favorite character? Why?
Favorite villain? Why?
Least favorite villain? Why?
There is no "favorite" or "least-favorite" villain in Star Wars. There is only One.
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*Falls from chair.*
Quote from: Verdauga on May 14, 2020, 11:12:56 PM
*Falls from chair.*
*Follows suit* That pic is creepy!
who ever knew Jar-Jar-Binks had a dark side
*Shudders*
Favorite duel?
Spoiler
kylo ren v.s. knights of ren, he and rey trading the lightsabers back and forth through their connection
Yes.
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Who was your favorite SW character?
Obi wan Kenobi, Fives from the Clone Wars or Mando!
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Who was your favorite SW character?
Sheev Palpatine, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and Sy Snootles. :-*
I've gotten some of my family to watch the Mandolorian. *Cackles*
I always liked Kyle Katarn from the Dark Forces and Jedi Knight games (and his appearances in the books). He was a great subversion of the "Jedi are tranquil warriors" trope with his backstory and the sort of grounded, emotional tone his stories took, even as a Master on the High Council. His story felt much more visceral compared to others, which appeals to me. Probably my favorite EU character.
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Favorite duel?
As of now Mando vs the mudhorn
My favorite Star Wars duel would have to be The Battle of the Heroes: Anakin Skywalker vs his once close friend...Obi-Wan Kenobi...A truely sad duel... Especially after watching the Clone Wars.
Mhm!
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Who was your favorite SW character?
Obviously Fox ;)
Anyway, in all seriousness, I do love all the clones. Rex, Cody, Boil, Waxer, Jesse, Fives, I could go on forever. If you are talking Jedi obviously Ashoka, Anakin, Obi, Shaak-ti, ect. My favorite sith is probably Maul, but that doesn't mean the others aren't awesome as well. Cad Bane and his who accompanying arc was pretty good
I'll stop now ;D
my fav sith is kylo ren
Quote from: Tungro on May 25, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Who was your favorite SW character?
Obviously Fox ;)
Anyway, in all seriousness, I do love all the clones. Rex, Cody, Boil, Waxer, Jesse, Fives, I could go on forever. If you are talking Jedi obviously Ashoka, Anakin, Obi, Shaak-ti, ect. My favorite sith is probably Maul, but that doesn't mean the others aren't awesome as well. Cad Bane and his who accompanying arc was pretty good
I'll stop now ;D
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Quaigon Jinn?
Now it's time for a smol rant on Clone Wars order 66.
Spoiler
I don't like how Rex resisted it. If we look back on Revenge of the Sith, Cody doesn't hesitate. Now obviously Rex wouldn't wanna kill Ahsoka, but that smol chip built in his genetic code should have worked as it did on Cody. Eh, food for thought.
Quote from: Herman Smith on May 25, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Now it's time for a smol rant on Clone Wars order 66.
Spoiler
I don't like how Rex resisted it. If we look back on Revenge of the Sith, Cody doesn't hesitate. Now obviously Rex wouldn't wanna kill Ahsoka, but that smol chip built in his genetic code should have worked as it did on Cody. Eh, food for thought.
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Remember that Rex at least had a vague idea of what the chip did, if not where it was or exact details. Such knowledge would likely aid him in resisting its affects. Additionally, Rex had a much closer relationship with his Jedi (Ahsoka especially, having literally just run a mission with her after not seeing her for months) than Cody. Yes, Cody and Kenobi were friends, but not at all in the same way that Rex was with Anakin and Ahsoka, so he would be less likely to hesitate (though, I believe he has some reservations in the Legends lore, but that tidbit is pre-chip).
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I thought the clones that didn't participate in Order 66 removed their chips, and that was why they didn't participate, not because they resisted it?
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Yeah, I think that was implied in Rebels. Didn't Rex tell Kanan "I didn't betray my Jedi" or something? I guess we have a soft retcon on our hands.
I thought that Rex managed to remove his chip? or am I going crazy bc there's a high possibly if that
(Random question, but did Han Solo shoot first?)
Yes. To say otherwise is heresy.
This is because in the original version, Han was the only one who shot. Thus, he shot first and last.
Quote from: MathLuk on June 09, 2020, 04:57:25 PM
Yes. To say otherwise is heresy.
XD
Quote from: MathLuk on June 09, 2020, 04:57:25 PM
This is because in the original version, Han was the only one who shot. Thus, he shot first and last.
Ah... Gotcha. I was curious.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on May 26, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
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I thought the clones that didn't participate in Order 66 removed their chips, and that was why they didn't participate, not because they resisted it?
Spoiler
Rex still had his chip when Order 66 happened. Ashoka ordered its removal while he was unconscious after he tried to kill her and she saw the holonet report on fives
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I hope you fellows noticed Hera Syndulla. :D
EDIT: Lol, wrong thread. 8D
I will be sceptical until it is confirmed
I suppose it doesn't matter either way. I hate Rebels. The animation stunk thoroughly, as well as the script and plot designs.
Just moved your posts to the main Star Wars thread. ^^
The trailer looks pretty cool, though I'm not sure if I personally would like it since it's mainly a flight simulation game? It's awesome to see Hera in it, though; I hope she's a major figure and actually appears in the cutscenes a lot (so I can watch them on YouTube). ;D
tbh the only thing I didn't like about Rebels was the pencil thin lightsabers. I loved Maul, Ashoka, and Vader. The rest was just meh.
I'm bored. Does anyone wanna talk about my most beloved fandom with me?
Sure. Which do you think is a better show, The Clone Wars or The Mandalorian?
Thats hard...
Clone wars.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on July 11, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
Sure. Which do you think is a better show, The Clone Wars or The Mandalorian?
The Clone Wars. Enough said. ;D
HUGE NEWS, FRIENDS!!!
There's going to be a new Clone Wars related series about The Bad Batch! It's gonna be streaming on Disney Plus in 2021. I hope it turns out okay. Toes crossed. 8D
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on July 11, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
Sure. Which do you think is a better show, The Clone Wars or The Mandalorian?
I've only just started The Clone Wars, so I'd say The Mandalorian.
Oh you will love the Clone Wars dude!
Agreed.
I'll have to keep watching then. ^-^
Fun times, kids!
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Isn't it cool, that in the Clone Wars season 7 "Old Friends not Forgotten" opening General Grievous is in his Revenge of the Sith attire/actual shape. I mean, look at his
little vocal vents! Up until this point, he only had three. But since this episode intersects with Revenge of the Sith, he has four! :D
I'm kinda gettin' mixed vibes regarding the upcoming Bad Batch show. I wanna think it's gonna be grand, but then I remember Disney's responsible for its creation. :(
I think it's gonna be fine...
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on September 01, 2020, 09:58:29 AM
I'm kinda gettin' mixed vibes regarding the upcoming Bad Batch show. I wanna think it's gonna be grand, but then I remember Disney's responsible for its creation. :(
Is it Dave Filoni work?
If so...It's gonna be goood!
Episode 8 and 9 were trash, Mandalorian is carrying the entire Star Wars Universe on it's shoulders. Change my mind.
The Mandalorian was okay. But it's far from what you make it out to be.
Such a pity there was not a moment with the Darksaber. But still... the trailer was HYPE.
*Is bored* The corruption of Disney rings strong throughout the land. So much evil. They wish to politicize that galaxy far, far away. Perhaps it is time for an uproar. Perhaps it is time to riot. If they silence my voice a chorus of thousands shall rise in its place. This is a new day, a new beginning. We can deal with this pack of corruptors.
Strangely I still haven't seen Episode 8 or 9. I got a bit turned off by 7. Enjoyed the prequels more than 7 - at least they still had some iconic soundtracks (eg duel of the fates, across the stars...).
Rogue One was decent though. Didn't see Solo. And waiting for the right time to sign up for Disney+ free trial, because between Netflix/prime/etc it's annoying to justify yet another exclusive service. :/
I didn't like the sequel trilogy. Solo was good, if a bit unnecessary.
The sequels are unoffensive and unexceptional (I did like Rogue One though), the prequels are terrible. It's kind of impressive how hard they dropped the ball with this franchise after Return of the Jedi.
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the prequels are terrible.
Without the prequels Clone Wars wouldn't exist. :( Also, George Lucas is a very talented man... He just doesn't know how to write a movie. :)
I'm still waiting for a Star Wars movie to explore the existence of the Whills ;D
Quote from: TheRedSnifit on October 08, 2020, 07:21:38 AM
The sequels are unoffensive and unexceptional (I did like Rogue One though), the prequels are terrible. It's kind of impressive how hard they dropped the ball with this franchise after Return of the Jedi.
Yeah, I like Rogue One as well. And the prequels... there's some definite cool stuff in there, but George Lucas needed some wrangling in like he had for the original trilogy. You'll find that many extremely talented people usually need something like that :giggle:
Plus, I think one of the defining differences between the original trilogy and the prequels (apart from storytelling) is how they were made. Of course, for the originals, everything had to be done practically, because cg wasn't a thing; but, just being done practically doesn't make something good. If you look at some of the behind the scenes stuff on how they did what they did, it's seriously impressive and, at the time, groundbreaking. Then for the prequels, it kinda just became "MAKE EVERYTHING A BLUE SCREEN. MAKE EVERYTHING CG," and I personally think that that approach negatively affected how the movies felt. I'm simplifying things to make a point, of course, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with CG when it's done well. I just feel that its use in the prequels was only to try and make things easier rather than making things more... impressive, I guess?
Many uses of CGI in the prequels were necessary. Such as Mr. Yoda himself. If they had made Yoda a puppet for Episodes II and III, bad things were likely to brew. :( How would practical effects work for a puppet battling Sith folk at high speeds? And can you imagine using practical effects for the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin?
Quote from: Kade Rivok on October 08, 2020, 02:37:07 PM
I just feel that it's use in the prequels was only to try and make things easier rather than making things more... impressive, I guess?
Wowie. How do you think the opening scene in Episode III would have looked if they hadn't used CGI? Bad, would be my guess. :laugh:
If I remember correctly, CGI effects in films were a big thing in the late 1990 to early 2000's.
CGI is still very big now, it's just gotten much better looking :laugh:
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on October 08, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
Many uses of CGI in the prequels were necessary. Such as Mr. Yoda himself. If they had made Yoda a puppet for Episodes II and III, bad things were likely to brew. :( How would practical effects work for a puppet battling Sith folk at high speeds? And can you imagine using practical effects for the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin?
Quote from: Kade Rivok on October 08, 2020, 02:37:07 PM
I just feel that it's use in the prequels was only to try and make things easier rather than making things more... impressive, I guess?
Wowie. How do you think the opening scene in Episode III would have looked if they hadn't used CGI? Bad, would be my guess. :laugh:
That doesn't disprove what I said, though. The CGI at the time wasn't quite up to snuff, in my opinion, for some of the stuff they were trying to do with it, but was still used for almost everything regardless. For many of the Coruscant shots, the background cityscape looks fantastic, but then you see the actors and it's like "Wow, they're obviously just on a soundstage." And you're correct that it allowed shots that may have not been able to be done without it, but in that case maybe they should've changed the shots or the scenes so that they didn't require as much CGI. Mixing practical and CG elements can be a great way to
hide the CGI so that it doesn't stick out as much (and this was done to great effect in certain parts). But, if you make everything CG and then just drop the actors in on top of that, it doesn't look that great. At least, at the time it didn't.
And I'm not saying using CGI is bad; there were tons of stuff in the prequels that looked fantastic
and used CGI. But, there were also things that didn't look good that didn't need to be CG, but they were. Take the clones for instance. I don't think there was any good reason for them to be fully CG. Having actors, and then background CG clones would've looked much better.
Though, all this talk regarding CGI doesn't have much bearing on current CGI. That stuff is friggin' magic ;D
Think what you will, my pal. I shall do the same. ^-^
Well yeah, I never said you were wrong to think what you think, ya know. I was just stating, and defending, my opinion. ^-^
From an artistry standpoint, the prequels were also George Lucas testing out a technology that had not really been put to great use beforehand. I imagine he was heavy handed with its use on purpose for the sake of "blazing a trail" for usage of CGI, so to speak, or at the very least indulging his artistic desires (for better or for worse).
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on October 08, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
Wowie. How do you think the opening scene in Episode III would have looked if they hadn't used CGI? Bad, would be my guess. :laugh:
There are examples of brilliantly done, large-scale battle sequences being made years before Revenge of the Sith came out. While I admit that a battle of that scale had never been done before with such detail, certainly major aspects of it (ships crashing, numerous vessels on screen at once, a clear sense of it being a "large" engagement) have been done before. For example, the 1997 film
Starship Troopers:
I've timestamped the part that I think best illustrates my point, but the entire clip has several examples. To my recollection, ILM (the visual effects company founded by George Lucas for Star Wars) worked on this film. I think that it's a superb example of why CGI is not always necessary in large quantities – many of the shots in that clip are done with practical effects.
Quote from: Hickory on October 09, 2020, 07:18:31 PM
From an artistry standpoint, the prequels were also George Lucas testing out a technology that had not really been put to great use beforehand. I imagine he was heavy handed with its use on purpose for the sake of "blazing a trail" for usage of CGI, so to speak, or at the very least indulging his artistic desires (for better or for worse).
Hmm, I'd never thought of it like that before. That's a very good point!
I only started the prequels a while back, so I'm not entirely sure what my opinion on the matter is.
Buuuuuut, what are your guys' thoughts on Episode IX? (If it could be a spoiler free review, that would be amazing. ;))
Well, From what I've seen... It's trash. :) It is an abomination that should be removed from this world. Disney has no respect for George Lucas or Star Wars for that matter. If I had three wishes, they would be: (1) Remove Kathleen Kennedy from her throne. (2) Imprison Rion Johnson and his friend J.J. (3) Destroy Disney. ^-^ >8( Do not bother yourself with watching such a nasty film, Sebias.
Reyan Johnson and Jar Jar Abrams made some trash movies! Buuut Disney is not all bad. They made Mandooo! And finished Clone Wars aaand hopefully the Bad Batch will be good!
Is it weird that I kinda wanna watch it even more now? :giggle:
Quote from: Scott McLamok on October 11, 2020, 05:09:54 AM
And finished Clone Wars
Ah, but that is where I must correct you, my friend. Disney did not finish Clone Wars. Before they so rudely destroyed Mr. Lucas and Davy's plans, Clone Wars was to have an eighth season. Funny how they skipped out on the good-natured fans who had begged and pleaded for so long. All they gave them was twelve episodes!!! >8( 8(
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on October 08, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
Many uses of CGI in the prequels were necessary. Such as Mr. Yoda himself. If they had made Yoda a puppet for Episodes II and III, bad things were likely to brew. :( How would practical effects work for a puppet battling Sith folk at high speeds? And can you imagine using practical effects for the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin?
They probably would have just not made scenes of Yoda flipping around screaming like a banshee. I'm not sure that would have been a bad thing.
But like the other guy said, Lucas considered himself to be pioneering CGI. That's why he talked about Jar Jar, one of the first all-CGI characters in a live action movie, being the "key" to the whole. And the movies did turn out to be pioneering and influential for CGI, just in a cautionary "how not to do it" way. Attack of the Clones is the worst looking big budget blockbuster Hollywood has ever made.
Quote from: TheRedSnifit on October 11, 2020, 06:48:13 AM
That's why he talked about Jar Jar, one of the first all-CGI characters in a live action movie, being the "key" to the whole.
Lol, "all CGI" is quite an exaggeration, my friend.
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Even Mr. Lucas knew when to use practical means for strange looking aliens. :D
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Quote from: Scott McLamok on October 11, 2020, 05:09:54 AM
And finished Clone Wars
Ah, but that is where I must correct you, my friend. Disney did not finish Clone Wars. Before they so rudely destroyed Mr. Lucas and Davy's plans, Clone Wars was to have an eighth season. Funny how they skipped out on the good-natured fans who had begged and pleaded for so long. All they gave them was twelve episodes!!! >8( 8(
Better then nothing!
Disney bad.
The Mandalorian has tickled my fancy. :giggle:
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Boba Fett! He has returned. I am so happy. :) This is so grand.
Has anyone else been viewing The Mandalorian? 8D ;D So much has happened.
I haven't because me, Worty, my siblings, and my cousins are gonna binge watch it...But I got spoiled some of it....
You got spoiled? That's sad. 8(
Aaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhh!
Ugh, muffins.
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I would call the latest episode of the Mandalorian filler, but stuff actually happened. 8D AT LEAST NOW I CAN BE SURE THAT AHSOKA IS GONNA STAR IN THE NEXT EPISODE, hey? ^-^
Just started the second season of The Mandalorian. Man, I am enjoying it. It feels more like an old western than a sci-fi show. XD
*SCREAMS OF HOPE AND JOY CAN BE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE LAND* Disney better not mess this up. 8D
LEESS GOOOOO!
Saw the finale for the Mandalorian and. . .
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DANG I enjoyed that. It had a bittersweet end with Grogu going with freaking Luke Skywalker and leaving Din (who finally showed him his face), but it had good closure. I'm hoping they have more seasons, and we see where stuff goes as far as the darksabre is concerned. As good as the episode was, however, what really took the cake was Boba Fett going back to Tatooine and taking his rightful place as top dog. That felt right. That felt deserved. My only wish is that they used him as more than just a getaway driver, but he seems to be getting his own series next year.
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T'was a very grand episode, hey? *Coughs* Wat was their budget on luke's face?? He looked like something I could doodle on Paint(That pathetic default program that comes with your windows computer, hey?). T'was still a grand episode tho. Also, Skarzs, mesa has read from a questionable source that season 3 is coming out next december. :-|
Lol
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I am happy to say that I finally watched Season 2 of Mando.
Whithout going into Spoiler territory, I loved it and I can't wait for what's coming next.
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Just saying... ;D
What even are the subtitles in the beginning? XD
Talk to moi, someone. :}
Sooo... Who else is excited for the next Book teased at the end of the Mandalorian?
The Book of Boba Fett seems like a grand series! :) Such a pity we will have to sit and wait for it. :( I assume Davy is working on it with his pals at some private location in the midwest of the Americas. :giggle:
Imagine if they do a live action flashback of the young Boba vs Cad Bane standoff
YES. That would be incredible. :}
Also, fun fact: Back in the day Mr. Filoni made it perfectly clear that Boba Fett's armor was not his dad's. According to him he found random pieces of Mandalorian armor at different times. Funny how The Mandalorian directly undermined his verbal exertions. :(
Does anyone wish to speak with moi? I'd love to chat. 8D :giggle:
The Star Wars franchise is dealing with a lot of drama right now. Craziness.
Mmm... Random, but a while back I was watching this Disney hack on youtube. He was the worst. D:
SPEAK TO MOI, PAWNS. :-|
You dare challenge a sith?
Yes, Jan. *Dances*
You may continue to speak. :)
My favorite Star Wars is the first one, other than that I don't care for Star Wars to much. I always like Star Wars, except for the first two prequels. Honestly, I like the Clone Wars tv show more than pretty much all the movies. I have many things I love and hate about Star Wars, but I don't think it's the masterpiece some people say it is. I think it is a fun universe with about Four Great Movies, 2 Good Movies, 2 meh Movies, 2 bad movies, and 1 movie I haven't seen. I think the world building is great, I just think that Lucas made a fun and good first movie, then the second one had less Lucas which is why it was good, then he made a completely fine and fulfilling end to a trilogy, then made two awful terrible movies, then made one actually fun and pretty good movie, and then i think Disney did well at first, but then dropped the ball. That's my opinion.
Dive into the EU, pal! Star Wars has much more to offer. >8( Of course, I must agree with you on the unchallengeable fact that Disney went potty on Star Wars. What gives me the reds though, is when people say that The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars. Nein! The fact that they started a sequel trilogy in the first place ruined it. :giggle:
Star Wars is quite expansive, no real other way to put it.
While I disliked the plots, I can't argue against that the movies themselves were quite impressive. Stories could have used some work, but was indeed immersive nonetheless
I've been feasting my peekers on EU comics and things. Disney rots. :) Also is it just me or has Star Wars comic art significantly been reduced in eye pleasing quality over the years? Hmmm... Food for thought. :D
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on March 07, 2021, 08:17:17 PM
Dive into the EU, pal! Star Wars has much more to offer. >8( Of course, I must agree with you on the unchallengeable fact that Disney went potty on Star Wars. What gives me the reds though, is when people say that The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars. Nein! The fact that they started a sequel trilogy in the first place ruined it. :giggle:
I've always disliked Extended Universes for pretty much any franchise, even if I occasionally enjoyed some. And while I don't have much against the Star Wars EU, I always laugh at how crazy some of the stuff I've seen is, and personally I just listen to the main branch of universes.
Except when it comes to Warriors but their entire franchise is an EU.
Same. Never liked Legends, just took so many things too far.
But the Holdo maneuver didn't? :) Also, what about those planet killing star destroyers in the Rise of Skywalker... >8(
I'm more referring to things liked cloned Luke and Jedi Hutt's.
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on March 09, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
Also, what about those planet killing star destroyers in the Rise of Skywalker... >8(
What about EU's 'The Sun Crusher' from the Jedi Academy trilogy?
"a small ship with the ability to destroy entire star systems, thanks to its 11 "energy resonance torpedoes." It has a hyperdrive, indestructible armor, can withstand shots from the Death Star laser and is basically completely unstoppable"
Defender of the sequel trilogy! ...Shame... >8(
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Defender of the sequel trilogy! ...Shame... >8(
The Force Awakens was actually a good movie, even if it did start what is regarded by pretty much everyone as a useless and bad trilogy. But it was a well made enjoyable movie. And I still think that the sequel trilogy is more enjoyable to watch than the prequels, even if in some ways the prequel trilogy was better (kind of).
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on March 09, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
But the Holdo maneuver didn't? :) Also, what about those planet killing star destroyers in the Rise of Skywalker... >8(
Holdo maneuver actually kind of made sense, I mean, what was supposed to happen? The planet killing destroyers were dumb (very dumb) but it is more sane than like, half of the stuff that happens in the EU.
That is why you should never have a trilogy directed by people who have different ideas where the story should go...
We don't talk about the sequel trilogy. ^-^
It's effectively a bad fan fic...
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on March 09, 2021, 11:05:34 PM
Defender of the sequel trilogy! ...Shame... >8(
Not by any means, but blind hate for the sequels makes just as little sense.
But in all honesty I'd rather defend planet destroying ships that a star system destroyer ;)
This was quite interesting
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Quote from: clunylooney on March 10, 2021, 12:31:19 AM
The Force Awakens was actually a good movie
Bruh, it was basically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope but with a more diverse crowd, hey? And on the subject of that thigh boil of a film, I also didn't like it. :laugh:
Quote from: clunylooney on March 10, 2021, 12:31:19 AM
Holdo maneuver actually kind of made sense, I mean, what was supposed to happen?
The Holdo maneuver opens up a can of thick worms. If hyperspace ramming is so effective than why isn't it used more often? The fools at Lucasfilm have trampled on our great fandom! *Wallows*
Well, tell me what was supposed to happen then. Of course you can ram a ship into another ship. People do that a lot.
Also, even though it was pretty close plot wise to A New Hope, I still personally like TFA and thinks it's better than both of the first prequels.
Golly, the Star Wars fandom is dead on this reef.
D: Methinks we should pluck away the sleepy thorns and vines that cover up such a fun discussion idea and wiggle our thoughts out from our lips like the yeast in sour doh!
:> @Captain Wortshire, have you been looking at The Bad Batch series?
:3
Just saw the first episode earlier this week.
Only got one minor gripe:
For those in the know, obscure spoiler ahead.
The Padawan's voice. 8D
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Yeah, I wasn't so angry at that, as I was that they purged their reputation of spreading consistent canonical Star Wars media that vibed with one another, and possessed a special kind of bond. I'm talking about how the induced a small-time exodus on the comic Kanan. Disney churned this wonder out themselves and stamped a canon seal on their special offspring. For years it remained canon and well-regarded until Mr. Filoni and friends plucked and placed it outside "House Canon". >:(
Other than that, I've been enjoying the show thoroughly I guess.
:3
Quote from: The ShadowCaptain Wortshire, have you been looking at The Bad Batch series? :3
Is it good enough to look into
Yes!
Okay! ^-^
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on June 20, 2021, 11:09:19 PM
Yes!
Agreed!
Quote from: Captain Wortshire on June 19, 2021, 12:45:19 PM
Just saw the first episode earlier this week.
Only got one minor gripe:
For those in the know, obscure spoiler ahead.
The Padawan's voice. 8D
Yes! 8D
Bad Batch has felt really mediocre for me - guess the Clone Wars finale set the bar too high
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Bad Batch has felt really mediocre for me - guess the Clone Wars finale set the bar too high
It's all mediocre
Quote from: Tungro on July 01, 2021, 04:43:01 PM
Bad Batch has felt really mediocre for me - guess the Clone Wars finale set the bar too high
Well, it pales a bit in comparison to Clone Wars, but I've still enjoyed it! Fact is, I enjoy most Star Wars media I consume.
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It's all mediocre
Wait, I thought you were an avid Star Wars junkie. ???
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Quote from: Tungro on July 01, 2021, 04:43:01 PM
Bad Batch has felt really mediocre for me - guess the Clone Wars finale set the bar too high
Well, it pales a bit in comparison to Clone Wars, but I've still enjoyed it! Fact is, I enjoy most Star Wars media I consume. :3
Quote from: One-Eye the wildcat on July 02, 2021, 04:11:59 AM
It's all mediocre
Wait, I thought you were an avid Star Wars junkie. ???
I am. I was talking about the recent productions.
But Eye, Mr. Filoni listens to the fans, and Favreau grapples onto fleshy Legends lore. :hearteyes:
What is there not to love about their recent creations? >8(
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on July 05, 2021, 12:57:31 AM
But Eye, Mr. Filoni listens to the fans, and Favreau grapples onto fleshy Legends lore. :hearteyes:
What is there not to love about their recent creations? >8(
TCW is simply superior to the Bad Batch, and the Mandolorian
Oh, there's no doubt about that! But I still love and treasure some of the other new forms of Star Wars media. :] Not much though, 'cus Disney sus.
TCW gives me bad vibes, and I can't stand to watch it.
This may, however be connected to how life was when I first watched them... :-\
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TCW gives me bad vibes, and I can't stand to watch it.
This may, however be connected to how life was when I first watched them... :-\
>bruv
Wha?
tbf several of the seasons were meh, especially the earlier ones - but it's really worth it once you understand the whole series, and the finale was phenomenal
But I beg. 8( I beg to differ, Tungro! The Clone Wars season 1 Ryloth arc was peek cinema. At least I thought it was. D:
Did you enjoy that specific arc, Tungro?
It was pretty good, that's just one arc though while the season was 22 episodes
Oh, ok. D:
I love the Clone Wars. I never loved all of it, mainly the mainly force focused ones without many interesting things going on. But I love many many arcs in it and I'd say some things in it are better moments and stories then the entire actual movie series. Or at least a lot of it.
I think TBB is about as good as Rebels, which I thought were still good shows just not as good as Clone Wars.
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Quote from: Ally046 on July 06, 2021, 08:15:31 AM
TCW gives me bad vibes, and I can't stand to watch it.
This may, however be connected to how life was when I first watched them... :-\
>bruv
Quote from: Ally046 on July 06, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Wha?
I think One-Eye is a bit offended by your flippant speech. 8( I am too. >8(
Quote from: clunylooney on July 08, 2021, 03:24:44 PM
Rebels, which I thought were still good shows just not as good as Clone Wars.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I partially despise Rebels. Subpar characters, ugly designs for those same characters. Lightsaber cores as thin as my agile legs on track-and-field day, and they reduced Mr. Thrawn to a simple-brained, bad person. Ugly, I say! >:(
UGLY. >8(
*Eyebrow raise*
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Quote from: Ally046 on July 06, 2021, 08:15:31 AM
TCW gives me bad vibes, and I can't stand to watch it.
This may, however be connected to how life was when I first watched them... :-\
>bruv
Quote from: Ally046 on July 06, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Wha?
I think One-Eye is a bit offended by your flippant speech. 8( I am too. >8(
Quote from: clunylooney on July 08, 2021, 03:24:44 PM
Rebels, which I thought were still good shows just not as good as Clone Wars.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I partially despise Rebels. Subpar characters, ugly designs for those same characters. Lightsaber cores as thin as my agile legs on track-and-field day, and they reduced Mr. Thrawn to a simple-brained, bad person. Ugly, I say! >:( UGLY. >8(
I love, "Lightsaber cores as thin as my agile legs on track-and-field day" that's a better analogy then anything I could come up with.
But what's your problem with the design of characters? They seem pretty much the same as the Clone Wars characters.
Clone Wars had a more blocky, rigid, and hard edge style/vibe to everything. Rebels on the other palm... :-| Every character in that show looks as ugly and soft as Bill gates in his creepy, pink sweater! >:( And I don't like the tight-fitting threads plastered onto the many smooth-skinned bodies. Also, the vibrant colors of those same threads gives me a headache. I say the whole show is plain execrable :3 But hey, when I was a smaller child than I am now, it was crazy fun I say, I say! I squandered my mind thoughts for whole weeks back in 2017, waiting long and hard for the conclusion to Mr. Maul's fate. :D
Rebels wasn't as bad as many would like to claim, definitely a different type of show, but still had its good moments
Eh, even it's "good moments" were a bit too repetitive and simplified. D: So much so, that a child on think-shrinking steroids could understand the message being conveyed. >8( Well, of course that's just coming from lil' moi. :3
That was the idea.. It was the kids show that CW failed to be
But Tungro, Star Wars is meant to attract a special audience consisting of a widthy variety of persons! Perhaps a variety more widthy than my soft body was after squandering my post-track, victory sessions. :}
There's simple but quite solid proof that everything about Rebels didn't have to act silly, lazy, and cheap. They covered death. The Rebels blasted persons on the daily! So if kids can handle death, then perhaps they can handle a plot without blemish, scuff, or the common mar. :3 Dave and his friends could have tried if they had wanted too! >8(
Quote from: The Shadow of Korriban on July 17, 2021, 10:36:08 PM
But Tungro, Star Wars is meant to attract a special audience consisting of a widthy variety of persons!:}
It has quite obviously succeeded, or else it wouldn't be one of the most popular franchises in history. You can't please everyone, there will always be fringes - as you have so clearly demonstrated
Oh yes, Pal! Star Wars is indeed one of the most popular film franchises. :] But I'm talking about Star Wars Rebels specifically. 8(
It's all part of the same universe - and as I mentioned, there'll always be fringe opinions. Overall it had a relatively positive response.
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Oh no, Tungro! I'm thought gesturing to the popularity of the show, not it's reviews. :3 I myself am not into even the most basic statistical data, so you may look into it yourself, but I do assume Clone Wars has had more viewers over the years than Rebels. Eh, I'm probably just a simple dweeb with not a knowledge strand, I say, I say! :giggle:
I didn't watch the episode that released Friday, but I did watch up to episode 11, and that was by far my favorite episode of the entire season thus far. I found the by-play of Free Ryloth internal politics a million times more interesting than the Five Stooges gallivanting about the Outer Rim, and I was glad to see the characters of Rampart and Howzer, which feel like a breath of fresh air compared to the Bad Batch. In general I was interested in the show because it promised to show the formation of the Empire, which was almost never directly touched upon in either Legends or Canon expanded universe content, and that episode delivered. The other episode on Raxus was also mildly interesting from a political standpoint, but wasn't really that great (though it was kinda fun to see the four of them doing actual special operations stuff like they did in TCW).
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It did, however, further highlight my growing problem with Filoni's writing style, namely his habit of relying on existing characters. Cham and Hera Syndulla, Gobi Glie, and Orn Free Taa are all characters established in prior Star Wars content. It peeves me that Filoni acts as if the Star Wars universe is filled with the same 100 characters and 20 different planets, especially when shows like Bad Batch are really supposed to push the envelope here but sometimes do the exact opposite. Cut Lawquane, Rex, Saw, and the Martez sisters have also shown up in Bad Batch, and none of them are original to the show. Not to mention how he pulls the same behavior with Rebels and even Clone Wars, with Saw, Maul, Bo-Katan, and Ahsoka (who also shows up in Mandalorian). I appreciate a good character cameo but this is getting ridiculous, and I think it's why Filoni needs to step away from Star Wars temporarily, if not permanently.
It seems as though Rebels and Clone Wars have about the same level of watchers, with Clone Wars just beating it by a small margin. Keep in mind this was just after about 10 minutes of research, you might find more if you look into it more.
Quote from: Hickory on July 18, 2021, 05:22:56 PM
Filoni needs to step away from Star Wars temporarily, if not permanently.[/spoiler]
Oh my, you think so?
D:Quote from: clunylooney on July 18, 2021, 08:04:54 PM
It seems as though Rebels and Clone Wars have about the same level of watchers, with Clone Wars just beating it by a small margin. Keep in mind this was just after about 10 minutes of research, you might find more if you look into it more.
Thank you for those quite juicy and ripe fruits of your labors, Cluny! :)
Very olde now, but good pals, the pretty frames are very pretty! :hearteyes: Though, I'd say it's a foolhardy move to let these anime creators express there passionate minds through Star Wars. D: I'd say they don't have a clue! But then again neither did kathleen, and
her Star Wars was great! Only joking, good friends. Seriously this show looks dumb-dumb but quite cool! Who's to say, who's to say?! >8(
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