Does anyone find any moments in the books a little frightening or unsettling?
There's nothing generally really frightening in my opinion. However, when I read the books some years ago I found the parts where the characters go deep down under the abbey or at Salamandastron looking for tombs and such quite foreboding.
In Redwall, the way Brian described Matthias finding Guosim in the cave I found unsettling!
So what did you find, if not frightening, unsettling throughout the series?
In the book The Long Patrol where they go down to the swamp filled ruins of kortir.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on August 30, 2013, 05:37:11 PM
In the book The Long Patrol where they go down to the swamp filled ruins of kortir.
That part is pretty creepy in my opinion.
The moment when Martin killed Badrang I was horrified because Martin seemed to enjoy it making him almost as bad as Badrang. In most of the other books the villain is killed by something else like Cluny and the bell and Gabool and the scorpion. (did I spell the names right?)
I have to agree with the swampy Kotir ruins. Not because of the structure itself, I actually enjoyed reading about little references to Mossflower, but the toads. Such an awful existence!! It makes me squirm to think about it because we have no control over who we are born as. Martin the warrior could have turned out to be one of those and suffered in the dark with the other frogs. But come to think of it, they probably didnt know of anything better, did they?
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 30, 2013, 08:33:05 PM
The moment when Martin killed Badrang I was horrified because Martin seemed to enjoy it making him almost as bad as Badrang. In most of the other books the villain is killed by something else like Cluny and the bell and Gabool and the scorpion. (did I spell the names right?)
I think
Quote from: Captain Tammo on August 30, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
I have to agree with the swampy Kotir ruins. Not because of the structure itself, I actually enjoyed reading about little references to Mossflower, but the toads. Such an awful existence!! It makes me squirm to think about it because we have no control over who we are born as. Martin the warrior could have turned out to be one of those and suffered in the dark with the other frogs. But come to think of it, they probably didnt know of anything better, did they?
I know! And weren't there worms in the water?
Worms or fish. They lived by eating toads and each other I think.
Quote from: Shadowed One on August 31, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
Worms or fish. They lived by eating toads and each other I think.
Mudfish.
Probably ze dezcriptionz o' ze zree znakez in ah believe tvaz Trizz. Ze Zmell, ze ruztlin' grazz, etc... Ah generally dinnae get much zcared aboot ziz ztuff, but ziz more or lezz made ze 'airz on ze back o' me neck ztand up!
Oh yeah, that was spooky too.
The doomwyte cavern!
The descriptions of the big snakes were always a little unsettling for me. I agree with you too Leatho, the doomwyte cavern was rather spooky.
Asmodeuses Cave.
I remember some vermin summoning an adder from the quarry (I think Balis) and I recall there were some toads and snakes sent to lure it out. The snakes feigned death but the toads tried to scamper up the slope of the quarry to get away, always sliding back down towards the waiting adder. It was the first time I sympathized for a toad in redwall!
When I first read Redwall, the parts with Asmodeus freaked me out. I was younger then. :-\
Gotta agree with HeadInAnotherGalaxy about the snakes in Triss. They were creepy. :o
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on August 31, 2013, 10:24:43 PM
The doomwyte cavern!
That was probably the most scariest! The boiling lake at the middle of the cavern and the heap of decaying bones *shudders*
What about in Triss when creatures were out in the woods and the snakes were coming :o
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What about in Triss when creatures were out in the woods and the snakes were coming :o
Zat vaz bazically vot ah zaid. Creepin' up, ze zmell fillz yer noztrilz, an' zen...
GULP!
Ugh! :o
I was really creeped out while reading that. :o
I thought Gulo was pretty scary when I first read Rakkety Tam. Also the Wearet from The Rougue Crew!
I agree like in Rakkety Tam when they found the half eaten squirrels :-X
I have got to say that was the scariest most disconcerting seen in the entire series.
Here's another one for the snake siblings in Triss. Right before they were introduced, when the dibbuns, and Crikulus and Malbun, encountered them... we didn't know what they were but we knew the characters were being hunted... I was impressed. It was pretty creepy!
Another scene with some creep factor is in Pearls of Lutra, when the abbot comes out on deck after the massacre, and there's nothing but fog... bodies... surrounded by ocean... and he's all alone... I found it unsettling. Fantastic writing.
In Lord Brocktree, the way Ungatt Trunn died really struck me. Really struck me. As painful...and as sad :'(... ;D
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
I like Rakkety Tam, but the sceans with Gulo and his hoard "eating" or had just eaten were...scary.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
Hey, it's supposed to be terrifying!
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
Hey, it's supposed to be terrifying!
Oh, yea..right. ;D
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
Yeah - in most other books, if you got caught by vermin they wouldn't slay you straight off, and there's a minute chance of escape. With Gulo's army...not happening.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
Yeah - in most other books, if you got caught by vermin they wouldn't slay you straight off, and there's a minute chance of escape. With Gulo's army...not happening.
Yep...scary!
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
Yeah - in most other books, if you got caught by vermin they wouldn't slay you straight off, and there's a minute chance of escape. With Gulo's army...not happening.
Yep...scary!
I guess the one funny thing about it is that you can scare Araltum and Idga!
Tam: "If we don't return, you'll know the vermin have slain and eaten us."
Idga: *faints*
Quote from: WildDoogyPlumm on November 12, 2013, 02:34:41 AM
I guess the one funny thing about it is that you can scare Araltum and Idga!
Tam: "If we don't return, you'll know the vermin have slain and eaten us."
Idga: *faints*
Haha nice!
Just about any scene with Asmodeus in the first book, especially the parts in the quarry.
Slagar's speech to the freshly captured kids (especially in the Show) in Mattimeo
When we first meet Gulo in Rakkety Tam
The scenes in Triss when the Hydra Siblings are an unknown terror (heck, any scene with them)
Razzid Wearat in The Rogue Crew
The first time Jacques describes the Doomwyte cavern
The scene in The Sable Quean where the kids first escape and are in the cave with that eel.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
Yeah - in most other books, if you got caught by vermin they wouldn't slay you straight off, and there's a minute chance of escape. With Gulo's army...not happening.
Actualy I thought that someone was captured in that book and then tam rescued them in the second half of the book.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 10, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
How about every single scene with Gulo or any of his cannibal army. Freaks me out as much as anything. Rakkety Tamm is the only Redwall book I actually dislike.
That actually one of the reasons I like Rakkety Tam. It adds a much sharper thrill to the book. Like imagine if they had been caught, they would have probably been eaten.
I know, it sort of makes the bad guys REALLY bad and makes it MUCH more inportant not to be caught by them.
Yeah - in most other books, if you got caught by vermin they wouldn't slay you straight off, and there's a minute chance of escape. With Gulo's army...not happening.
Actualy I thought that someone was captured in that book and then tam rescued them in the second half of the book.
Yeah, but they were going to die in just a few hours.
Did it say they were goin to be eaten? I can't remember.
Quote from: The Shade on November 16, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
Did it say they were goin to be eaten? I can't remember.
Same here...
I agree with a lot of these but I also found Blodd Apis' death unsettling, not that it happened but Brian actually described her trying to crawl away and how Foremole or whoever it was watched the whole thing. It wasn't creepy or frightening but it seemed out of place in this series.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on November 17, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
I agree with a lot of these but I also found Blodd Apis' death unsettling, not that it happened but Brian actually described her trying to crawl away and how Foremole or whoever it was watched the whole thing. It wasn't creepy or frightening but it seemed out of place in this series.
I don't remember that scene...what Redwall book was it in?
I think Blodd Apis was in... Doomwyte? Anyway, I got used to the creepiness in the Redwall series pretty quickly, but since Redwall was the second book I read, I thought Guosim's death was creepy. Matthias just finds her, dead! :o
Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 01:36:52 AM
I think Blodd Apis was in... Doomwyte? Anyway, I got used to the creepiness in the Redwall series pretty quickly, but since Redwall was the second book I read, I thought Guosim's death was creepy. Matthias just finds her, dead! :o
I'm pretty sure that happened more than once in the Redwall series...
I know but I was only creeped out the first time. Then I was used to it ;)
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Quote from: Jetthebinturong on November 17, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
I agree with a lot of these but I also found Blodd Apis' death unsettling, not that it happened but Brian actually described her trying to crawl away and how Foremole or whoever it was watched the whole thing. It wasn't creepy or frightening but it seemed out of place in this series.
I don't remember that scene...what Redwall book was it in?
It was in Doomwyte. Somene spilled honey over her and her bees attacked and killed her.
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I agree with a lot of these but I also found Blodd Apis' death unsettling, not that it happened but Brian actually described her trying to crawl away and how Foremole or whoever it was watched the whole thing. It wasn't creepy or frightening but it seemed out of place in this series.
I don't remember that scene...what Redwall book was it in?
It was in Doomwyte. Somene spilled honey over her and her bees attacked and killed her.
Something cool I found out... the word 'Apis' is some Latin word meaning 'bee'.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI agree with a lot of these but I also found Blodd Apis' death unsettling, not that it happened but Brian actually described her trying to crawl away and how Foremole or whoever it was watched the whole thing. It wasn't creepy or frightening but it seemed out of place in this series.
I don't remember that scene...what Redwall book was it in?
It was in Doomwyte. Somene spilled honey over her and her bees attacked and killed her.
Something cool I found out... the word 'Apis' is some Latin word meaning 'bee'.
Blodd Bee. Lol! ;D
I found the skeleton it the Pearls Of Lutra slightly unsettling.
Oh, yeah, imagine just bumping into a skeleton like that. :o
QuoteI found the skeleton it the Pearls Of Lutra slightly unsettling.
Agreed, that
was a pretty ghastly scene.
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QuoteI found the skeleton it the Pearls Of Lutra slightly unsettling.
Agreed, that was a pretty ghastly scene.
But
Rakkety Tam is definatly more desturbing. Half eaten bodies, creatures getting skined.... :P
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QuoteI found the skeleton it the Pearls Of Lutra slightly unsettling.
Agreed, that was a pretty ghastly scene.
But Rakkety Tam is definatly more desturbing. Half eaten bodies, creatures getting skined.... :P
Aye, na' juzt imagine if it 'ad zombiez in it like me nev
Ztar Varz book
Deaz Trooperz 'az. Creepy.....*Zcary muzic playz*
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Quote from: Osu on November 20, 2013, 02:37:02 AM
QuoteI found the skeleton it the Pearls Of Lutra slightly unsettling.
Agreed, that was a pretty ghastly scene.
But Rakkety Tam is definatly more desturbing. Half eaten bodies, creatures getting skined.... :P
Aye, na' juzt imagine if it 'ad zombiez in it like me nev Ztar Varz book Deaz Trooperz 'az. Creepy.....*Zcary muzic playz*
Ach...
I actually enjoy things like that xD (hey don't judge me)
I liked Rakkety Tam in that respect and Blodd Apis (another book, Doomwyte?) was.... interesting?
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on November 22, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
I actually enjoy things like that xD (hey don't judge me)
I liked Rakkety Tam in that respect and Blodd Apis (another book, Doomwyte?) was.... interesting?
Yep, Doomwyte.
I actually kind of liked Blodd Apis don't ask me why I have no idea.
Quote from: Faiyloe on November 22, 2013, 09:01:13 PM
I actually kind of liked Blodd Apis don't ask me why I have no idea.
Why? ;D Sorry I couldn't resist asking ;D
I thought tries w/ the snakes!
Not tries triss!
After starting to read High Rhulain I have to say that it's pretty disconcerting reading how the wildcat leader's face looked after the bird attack. Part of the skull and under flesh showing... nasty!!
^^ I know right!
One of the frightening, yet exciting moments was when the wytes where leading their victims to their death.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on June 02, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
One of the frightening, yet exciting moments was when the wytes where leading their victims to their death.
I thought that was sad :'(
That's why I wrote it as a Scary or Disconcerting Moment in Redwall, I liked the originality of it though. Kinda like that one frog/toad in Mariel of Redwall.
A particularly disconcerting moment?
I would have two big ones- The scene in Outcast of Redwall in which Balefur and his two fox cronies are fleeing lost in the tunnels, and enter a room with a great, clear, bottomless pool. One fox leaps into the pool and floats down into darkness rather than get slain by the snakes pursuing them, while Balefur and the other slowly back away as the snakes approach...
Then, in Triss, with the scene in which Slitfang (Who was one of my alltime favorite characters, which made this part so much worse) extends a paw to Kurda in friendship, and Kurda slices both his paw and his head off in two swift chops, imaging the herrings and turnips she used to destroy back home, rather than one of my favorite Freebooters getting dismembered and beheaded... Made me want to tear Kurda apart, I can tell ya ;P
When Ironhook's head was on top of the mast in The Rogue Crew >:( :'(
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When Ironhook's head was on top of the mast in The Rogue Crew >:( :'(
If I know you, then that was probably more maddening to you right?
Absolutely! But one moment that I did actually find disconcerting was when in Legend of Luke a rat/weasel/stoat pushed that ferret into the fire after stabbing him in the stomach :o
That too....
I found it disturbing in The Rogue Crew when those vermin were descending on Jum Gurdy's uncle Wullow, and the creatures who found his remains afterwards... :-\
Yeah.... :-X
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 19, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
I found it disturbing in The Rogue Crew when those vermin were descending on Jum Gurdy's uncle Wullow, and the creatures who found his remains afterwards... :-\
Oh, yes. Definitely.
In Martin The Warrior, when there's those snakes on the heron. It's at the end of the chapter.
Gabool the Wild was a little scary when you read it at night(Mariel of RedWall).
Er, kind of.
I still think Gulo is THE scariest one.
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 31, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
Asmodeuses Cave.
Yes! That scene was terrifying. It would be scary enough with out the constant "Asmodeus...Asmodeus...Asmodeus.."
Indeed, when you're reading it you feel like you are there your self, lost in darkness, the old poison tooth's name being whispered around every corner.
That was in fact rather creepy. I find that seen rather memorable and well done though. I can't remember weather this has been said before (And it probably has) but when In Rackety Tam they find the remains of the squirrels... :-X Not pretty.
For me it was in Rakkety Tam where the members of the Long Patrol are eaten, but was most disconcerting about this was that they screamed, because hares of the Long Patrol do not scream for no reason.
When I was seven, reading the bit in Mossflower when tsarmina blocks the javelin with a soldier quite disturbing because I was so young at the time.
Many of the things the vermin leaders did to their own horde members I found disturbing and simply cruel. I mean, it's bad enough to go harm innocent creatures, but to be so cruel to
your own people? Somehow, I feel like that might be even worse. It must be tough to be a vermin horde member.
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When I was seven, reading the bit in Mossflower when tsarmina blocks the javelin with a soldier quite disturbing because I was so young at the time.
I was a teenager when I read that part and still disturbed.
The part in
Doomwyte when Skurr tossed Sicariss into the lake, where she was caught by the giant fish, was pretty shocking. Goes along with what I said about the vermin leaders' sadistic nature.
I think the creepiest thing I may have read is the trio of snakes in
Triss. Forget Asmodeus and Baliss. Three snakes attached together, like one giant, three-headed, serpentine dragon? That's unreal.
Doomwyte was full of more disturbing things then anyother book, though I have to say Urgan Nagru was disturbing... kind of.
I found it a little unnerving when Razzid and some of his crew tortured that old otter (or so it was implied). I honestly don't remember anything that gruesome or cruel in the series. I mean, yes, Redwall is kinda known some for the war sequences which come with some rather gory deaths, but this one just always seemed... disturbing, you might say.
In my opinion, Doomwyte is the creepiest novel overall. The cave of Skurr was like something that walked out of a nightmare, and then you've got all the creepy birds and two evil snakes. Blodd Apis' death was kind of disconcerting as well. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
Quote from: Delthion on August 07, 2014, 11:40:03 PM
For me it was in Rakkety Tam where the members of the Long Patrol are eaten, but was most disconcerting about this was that they screamed, because hares of the Long Patrol do not scream for no reason.
Wait, they were eaten? Why? *Sob*
I think it's pretty creepy in Lord Brocktree, when they find the skeleton of one of the captains who was eaten by crabs.
Quote from: Delthion on August 07, 2014, 11:40:03 PM
For me it was in Rakkety Tam where the members of the Long Patrol are eaten, but was most disconcerting about this was that they screamed, because hares of the Long Patrol do not scream for no reason.
Wait, they screamed??? I don't remember that detail...
I used to get chills reading about how Beau and Vurg would dress as "Sea Bogles" in the night to frighten corsairs aboard the Goreleech in Legend of Luke, probably because I first read this scene at night with a flashlight. I always found it somewhat creepy, yet this trickery is part of what makes this book my favourite.
I've always found that part in The Long Patrol disturbing. When the Redwallers are exploring the underground ruins of Kotir. There were the sightless, cannibalistic toads and the mudfish. I thought it was gross how they were eating each other and being eaten at the same time.
I become very uneasy and mad with the stories when a badger lord single handedly slaughters an entire sea rat ship, too my knowledge it happens twice. One with Sunstripe better known as Sunflash and once with Rawnblade.
Exactly.
Sandpaw, I just have to ask, are you going to check Overlord's Orders? James posted a couple days ago, you need to pick a winner (or something).
@Sagetip Yes I know, I'm just giving the people who haven't posted yet a chance.
Ok, thanks. Just wondering.
Possibly someone mentioned this...
In Luke, when Martin and co. are told about Folgrim the otter, who the characters might meet (and do) and is potentially insane. Then when he was in the cave talking to the dead villain, that was a creepy image... and then to actually bite the creatures necks and eat them! Pretty disconcerting, I think.
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Possibly someone mentioned this...
In Luke, when Martin and co. are told about Folgrim the otter, who the characters might meet (and do) and is potentially insane. Then when he was in the cave talking to the dead villain, that was a creepy image... and then to actually bite the creatures necks and eat them! Pretty disconcerting, I think.
Sometimes you have to fight to survive...
Although I can cope more reading it now, I found the moments when the badger lords went into the room with Lord Brocktree's skeleton in armour sat at the table pretty scary. Sunflash was really shocked about it... if it were me I'd be back out that door pretty fast. XD
That's something kinda interesting with me: Skeletons don't scare me. :P So that part might have been interesting and unexpected, but it wasn't all that frightening. (To me.)
^ It's partly just the fact you can't necessarily even see the skeleton underneath, so it's like a sitting armour with goodness knows what inside, living or dead... so there is the shock of that before you even realise there's a badger skeleton beneath!
The death of the hares in Rakkety Tam.
But also some of the earliers Painted ones.... hoever, the ones from Doomwyte were pretty civilized, they weren't cannibals.
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on March 21, 2015, 05:43:06 PM
Although I can cope more reading it now, I found the moments when the badger lords went into the room with Lord Brocktree's skeleton in armour sat at the table pretty scary. Sunflash was really shocked about it... if it were me I'd be back out that door pretty fast. XD
Which book was that from?
Wasn't that in The Outcast?
^ Yep. Although the room with the remains in is mentioned in a few others books, too.
REVIVE!!!
Here's something that gets creepier the more I think about it: literally all of Malkariss >8(
A giant underground kingdom where the screams and whimpers of slaves fill the air? I'll pass.
Ohh, yeah. It is pretty creepy. All but a cult obeying the whim of a terrible voice with the carved face of a polecat.
One word: Gloomer.
And badger lords can be scary sometimes.
Wasn't exactly scary per-say, but I did find the whole concept behind Gulo pretty disconcerting. I know Redwall is one of those series that has a knack for having material that parents would balk at, but having a villain that ate their enemies after killing them was pretty jarring.
I happened to like that part. Made it all the more serious.
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Wasn't exactly scary per-say, but I did find the whole concept behind Gulo pretty disconcerting. I know Redwall is one of those series that has a knack for having material that parents would balk at, but having a villain that ate their enemies after killing them was pretty jarring.
Yeah, I agree. I was trying to get this one kid to read the books back a few years ago and he asked me what the villain was like in the one I was currently reading. It was of course Gulo and how he ate people. He didn't end up reading them.
One scene that sticks out in my mind is when the three conjoined snakes were introduced in Triss. I barely remember the scene, but I remember feeling kind of scared and unsettled while reading it.
In fact, one of the more disconcerting parts of the Redwall series was the oft-repeated description of the sickly sweet smell of an adder's poison. Maybe it's because when I was younger I had a bad dream that was accompanied by this pervasive sickly sweet smell, or maybe the description itself was unsettling.
I thought it was just the stink of adder, not the poison.
You know, that makes a lot of sense. I never was the sharpest child. :D
Regardless, it's still disturbing. In fact, that may make it more disturbing. What does the smell come from, rotting flesh? Or do adders just naturally stink?
I'm pretty sure it was because their tails were tied together and it was either damaged or rotting.
But that smell is connected with adders throughout the series, not just those three.
Probably the smell of slime, death, and poison rolled all into one--those conjoined snakes would have smelled particularly worse because their bodies were rotting as they still lived.
Eesh.
Pretty sure it was just the adders' natural, ehh, musk.
Just did some quick internet research and, funnily enough, it seems as though the grass snake of the U.K. is able to emit a foul-smelling liquid when in danger. I didn't find anything that said adders carried a foul smell.
Maybe Brian Jacques switched it up a bit for the sake of the story.
Well, if you think about it logically, it severely disadvantages a predator such as an adder if they have a foul odour, because that could spook their prey and leave them hungry. Meanwhile a defenceless creature such as a grass snake being able to secrete disgusting liquid helps it greatly as it keeps other animals, including possible predators, away from it.
I just think it's interesting how Brian took a characteristic of one real life animal and gave it to a different one. It's also interesting how he made up species like wearat and the Slothunog. As a kid I didn't think too much about how close the animals were to real life.
I just think it's interesting that he made up species that don't exist in real life and that he added characteristics to existing species.
Writers' liberty.
In the book Triss it clearly states that the reason the adders smell is because the flesh behind the flail had died and was slowly rotting away while still attached to their bodies. So yeah, pretty gross. However, it also makes sense. Throughout the rest of the series, I do not recall any sort of stink being associated with adders in general, only with their lairs (which were usually full of shed snakeskins and, in at least one case, a corpse). Presumably, the animals in Redwall have a better sense of smell than us, so an adder's layer would stink. But, I am fairly sure that other adders in the series dd not have a scent which personally attended them
Huh. I must've thought that up all on my own...
I've been noticing this thread for a few days within venturing in...
The adderhead (I guess I can call it that?) from Triss has always been what I thought of as the height of Redwallian horror.
Possibly underappreciated candidate of the general concept would be the hordeleader who forced one or two of his followers to ear a whole bird, uncooked. Feathers, bones and all. I can't remember who it was, and a bit of searching is not proving successful. But I always found that to be one of the most downright sadistic things any villain ever did. In fact, it's like the most prolonged death sequence of anyone I can think of that was traumatic, not a peaceful slow-fadeout like
Spoiler
Cregga
The warlord who did that was Swartt Sixclaw, Veil's father.
And yes, I agree with you about the thing in the spoiler. But I wouldn't say that was scary, moreso sad.
Ah, yes, thank you. And the vermin's name was Wildag. A very horrible way to go.
Yes, I agree. All I meant was that very unlike that, Wildag faced a fate that was not an immediate death, either peaceful or horrible. It was both prolonged and horrible. Fed to death with a crow, by your ally, knowing you're going to be dead by the end of this, with no escape? That's definitely disconcerting.
I sometimes choke on water, so I don't even want to imagine how his last moments were.