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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: cluneythescourge on May 04, 2013, 02:15:30 AM

Title: Chickens in redwall
Post by: cluneythescourge on May 04, 2013, 02:15:30 AM
I have a question... Why are there no CHICKENS in redwall!?
NO snide comments about chickens being chickens people, that CAN make me go bloodwrath berserk. Roosters are far from timid. They will go and attack a FOX yes a FOX, if it is threatening the roosters hens and chicks. A mother hen is one of natures best. they will never let their chicks stray far and cam be positivly deadly when they are threatened! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Maudie on May 04, 2013, 02:28:53 AM
Un, I think it's cause Brian Jacques was focusing more on the rodent-like animals than farm animals. Also, most of the birds in the series are the fierce or the flying type, like hunting birds and geese.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on May 04, 2013, 03:59:12 AM
The only thing that comes close was Chickenhound.  :D
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Buzz_Bumble on May 04, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
There's lots of animal species missing from Redwall. Redwall is based on native British animals, so things like chickens, wolves, bears, skunks, etc. don't exist.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 04, 2013, 05:44:01 PM
In his first Redwall book, he had refrence to creatures, like beavers and dogs, that would never appear or be mentioned again in the Redwall series. Also, they had food that seemed inpossable for them to accuire, like goatsmilk. But that is most likely because it was his first Redwall book, so he hadn't had in mind were to officially put Redwall in, the real world of that Redwall world were all the other books (his first book was as well, but not quite the same). So if there was any refrence to Ckickens in Redwall, it would make sence if they were refrenced to in the first Redwall book.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Tam and Martin on May 04, 2013, 08:55:10 PM
Well we own chickens and they are MESSY! I'm glad they don't appear in the books.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Maudie on May 04, 2013, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 04, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
There's lots of animal species missing from Redwall. Redwall is based on native British animals, so things like chickens, wolves, bears, skunks, etc. don't exist.
I think they do have chickens in The UK but chickens just aren't the Redwall type. ;)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 05, 2013, 12:21:09 AM
Chickens are more of domesticated animals, and there aren't any humans in Redwall, which probably means there are no chickens in Mossflower Woods.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Buzz_Bumble on May 05, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Mask on May 04, 2013, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 04, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
There's lots of animal species missing from Redwall. Redwall is based on native British animals, so things like chickens, wolves, bears, skunks, etc. don't exist.
I think they do have chickens in The UK but chickens just aren't the Redwall type. ;)

I really meant to say native British animals ... I don't think chickens were native to Britain, although I can't honestly say I know where they come from.

Redwall also only deals with fairly small animals, so horses, cows, goats, etc. are too big, although, again, I don't really know whether or not those are all native or not. Realistically something like a horse could easily squash a mouse or jump over the walls of Redwall Abbey, so it makes sense to limit the sizes so the battles aren't too silly.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Rusvul on May 06, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
Err, there were monitor lizards and wolverines... but they were probably scaled down :P
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Romsca on May 06, 2013, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on May 06, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
Err, there were monitor lizards and wolverines... but they were probably scaled down :P

Was that pun intended?   ::)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Rusvul on May 06, 2013, 05:53:30 PM
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Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: AnnaofRedwall on May 08, 2013, 11:04:08 PM
still.... it would be awesome to have  deadly chicken... i still and a crazy chicken lover... and chickens are NOT stupid... well they are some times... but they figure things out pretty fast. :)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
I do agree with you; being a chicken lover.

Maybe if the Brian Jacques used farm animals instead of Woodland creatures for Redwall, there would be a "Deadly chicken" character.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Maudie on May 08, 2013, 11:59:26 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 05, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Mask on May 04, 2013, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 04, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
There's lots of animal species missing from Redwall. Redwall is based on native British animals, so things like chickens, wolves, bears, skunks, etc. don't exist.
I think they do have chickens in The UK but chickens just aren't the Redwall type. ;)

I really meant to say native British animals ... I don't think chickens were native to Britain, although I can't honestly say I know where they come from.


I googled it, they originated in India
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Buzz_Bumble on May 09, 2013, 02:45:02 AM
My guess would have been somewhere in Asia, so I was close.

Of course, that still doesn't answer the question of which came first, the chicken curry or the egg curry?  ;)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Rusvul on May 09, 2013, 12:35:33 PM
I would imagine the chicken curry. No, but wait, where did the chicken curry hatch from. Right. Wait, who laid the egg curry? Aargh!
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 09, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
In reality, there were several chickens in Redwall. What else could the braveless vermin who try to linger at the back of the attack line be ;D?
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Buzz_Bumble on May 10, 2013, 08:27:02 AM
Cowardly custards? Yellow-belly yokels?  ;)

The ones at the back are usually the lazy leaders.  :(
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 10, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 10, 2013, 08:27:02 AM

The ones at the back are usually the lazy leaders.  :(
Not always ;D
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Buzz_Bumble on May 12, 2013, 08:32:10 AM
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:)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: CrazyPug37 on May 13, 2013, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on May 09, 2013, 02:45:02 AM
My guess would have been somewhere in Asia, so I was close.

Of course, that still doesn't answer the question of which came first, the chicken curry or the egg curry?  ;)
Hmm... that's a tough question to answer.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Kitsune on May 13, 2013, 02:19:06 AM
LOL Buzz Bumble ;D
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Belffelyne Hare on July 25, 2015, 09:01:41 PM
This is rather odd. There are actually two characters named after chickens.

Chickenhound, as mentioned before, and the rat Henbit from The Long Patrol. How did he manage to get bitten by something that does not exist?
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Izeroth on July 26, 2015, 12:56:00 AM
 In the Redwall Universe, Chickenhound and Henbit are just names; they don't necessarily mean anything. It's worth noting that Redwall was Brian Jacques' first book, so he hadn't finished establishing the lore.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: The Skarzs on July 26, 2015, 01:05:42 AM
^ In regards to Henbit the name might have just been coincidental. He did Fleabit, so maybe he just thought that Henbit sounded like a good vermin name and kept it.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Stellamara on July 30, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
This is actually a very timely topic for me, because I was thinking about all those amazing dishes Mr. Jacques describes in the feast scenes. While we've debated (and concluded) that the few mentions of milk in the Redwall universe are either out-of-canon or are derived from a plant resource, like milkweed or dandelion sap. But what about eggs? Making baked goods is ridiculously hard without eggs. They are literally not fluffy in the least, and I speak as one who forgot to put eggs in a batch of blueberry muffins one time.

So maybe there are chickens? Do you think the woodlanders are collecting eggs from the birds of the forest? The Sparra would have NONE of that, I'm certain. ;D
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Jukka the Sling on July 31, 2015, 01:23:18 AM
Well, I know that you can leave eggs out of a recipe if you add in extra liquid.  I never thought the fluffiness of baked goods is dependent upon the eggs...
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: SoranMBane on July 31, 2015, 05:16:53 AM
As a vegan myself, I can perhaps provide some insight into the eggs-and-baked-goods dilemma. Assuming that the Redwallers have access to flax seeds (which they probably do, given the fact that they also have linen), then a mix of flax seed meal and water can actually be used a substitute for eggs in most baking recipes. I've tried it myself in cake and cupcakes, and it works quite well. If not flax seeds specifically, then I wouldn't be surprised if the Redwallers have some other similar trick that they use.
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Stellamara on August 04, 2015, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on July 31, 2015, 01:23:18 AM
Well, I know that you can leave eggs out of a recipe if you add in extra liquid.  I never thought the fluffiness of baked goods is dependent upon the eggs...

It was in those muffins, at least. They turned out more like very dry scones.  :P

That's really interesting about flaxseed! Chemistry is so great!
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: SoranMBane on August 04, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
Yeah, it's actually pretty neat how the flax seed trick works. You just take about one tablespoon of flax meal and three tablespoons of water for every egg you would otherwise need, mix them together and leave them to set for about ten minutes, and it turns into this goop that honestly has the consistency of runny eggs. And the best part is that you can lick the whisk and mixing bowl clean afterwards without worrying about getting sick. ;)
Title: Re: Chickens in redwall
Post by: Hickory on August 04, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: SoranMBane on July 31, 2015, 05:16:53 AM
As a vegan myself, I can perhaps provide some insight into the eggs-and-baked-goods dilemma. Assuming that the Redwallers have access to flax seeds (which they probably do, given the fact that they also have linen), then a mix of flax seed meal and water can actually be used a substitute for eggs in most baking recipes. I've tried it myself in cake and cupcakes, and it works quite well. If not flax seeds specifically, then I wouldn't be surprised if the Redwallers have some other similar trick that they use.

I've used flax "eggs" in several vegan recipies, notably black bean brownies. I actually make cakes that are vegan, depending on the ingredients, and I've found that with certain recipies you can actually substitute water for milk.

There's also the distinct possibility of a staple item in the smoothies I make, which is almond milk. You can also make almond butter, instead of peanut butter, but the almond version is much more bland. (perhaps because it is more natural. Obviously.)

However Brian Jaques actually stated, in Volume three of Ask Brian (or some such book), "Green sap milk is my solution. The sap of many plants can be used to make vegetarian versions of milk, cream butter, and cheese."