Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
I tend to believe that Martin died of old age. But did Brian say so? I don't think he ever did. I think it was meant to be a mystery.
No, it says that Martin hung up his sword and became a peaceful creature, but it never says how he died. I tend to think that after the Legend of Luke he went back to Redwall and lived there peacefully until his death.
Those who die of old age tend to go without any explanation. If you were killed by a horde, or vermin, it tends to get mentioned, so I suspect Martin was one that died of old age. (It also wouldn't seem right for Martin to be killed by vermin when he's so good at defeating them.)
I do believe this has been discussed at length elsewhere, give me just a tick and I'll track down the topic for y'all.
He must've died peacefully because it never says anything about another invasion on redwall after he hung up his sword. So he must've died of age and they built a tomb for him
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
Did he died outside of Redwall??? I don't remember which book it said that in.... :-\
Found it! CLICK HERE (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=131.0).
I think he died of old age.
youre right i guess
Martin's already been through a lot, so a normal death with friends around him would be the best way to go. Maybe at the Abbey, maybe while out adventuring, who knows.
However, it disturbed me that he never really talked about his past to other creatures. When Trimp casually brought up Martin's father, he just went into profound depression mode without Trimp having any clue that would set him off. I'd think at some point Gonff would have brought up whether Martin had a girlfriend. And if not, if he had to keep that bottled up for the rest of his life... well, what does he think about future generations yakking about it like it's the weather? Redwall was eventually told about it, and then presumably it got passed down in future generations. Ancient history, everyone knows it by now. You'd think Martin's ghost would have told some future champion "I deliberately said I don't want anyone else knowing what happened to me. But your ancestors just HAD to spoil it, didn't they? Great going, now I can't rest peacefully. I mean, not that I can now when everyone keeps asking me for advice. Can't a spirit get some sleep!?"
If he was killed Methusalah would of had some record of it. He died in peace, I'm sure.
Also in the book Redwall they found Martin's tomb. If Martin died in battle I think the enemies would have burned him or something. Being the head of Redwall's army and whatnot.
he had his own special grave so...
Martin Did die of old age, it has some very vague references to it.
ah donae ???
If he was killed a big war would of gone on to avenge him, and a book would of been wrote about that.
Quote from: Lutra on July 30, 2011, 12:55:53 PM
Those who die of old age tend to go without any explanation. If you were killed by a horde, or vermin, it tends to get mentioned, so I suspect Martin was one that died of old age. (It also wouldn't seem right for Martin to be killed by vermin when he's so good at defeating them.)
are you saying that martin was more powerful than boar the fighter?!
boar was also well on in years and an experienced fighter as well, but he too was killed in battle.
By an army of vermin, Boar was. But it's pretty much a given that very few vermin could beat Martin in single combat, and he could beat up a Kotir patrol without even drawing his sword (admittedly they did capture him but there were seven or eight in the patrol), so I would think that it would take quite a few to beat him,
I'd say Martin just died of old age, or maybe he got sick.
Quote from: Folgrimeo on September 01, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
at some point Gonff would have brought up whether Martin had a girlfriend.
After Rose, I doubt it. It's also mentioned that Martin never had any children, so the whole idea of Martin having another girlfriend seems kind of unlikely.
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
Quote from: danflorreguba on March 29, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
I'm gonna get yelled at a lot for saying this, but...
I didn't really care about Rose. Or her death.
I was sad when Felldoh died.
Another Felldoh admirer! At last!
I think it was terrible when Rose died, but I really felt it more when Felldoh died. He's definitely one of my favorite characters.
Quote from: Bragoon on March 31, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
Another Felldoh admirer! At last!
I think it was terrible when Rose died, but I really felt it more when Felldoh died. He's definitely one of my favorite characters.
Yeah, same. I think Felldoh should have lived, but not without some consequence from fighting so many soldiers. Like maybe he always would have a limp or something.
It seems we're far outnumbered by the Rose admirers. :-\
Yes i do believe that Martin the Warrior died of old age, had he died in a battle there would be another book, a mention of his arch enemy, and probably wouldn't have his own tomb.
That's a good point, his tomb didn't indicate any momentous, tragic death.
But on the other hand, Mr. Jacques didn't say a word about his tomb in any of the other books, so maybe that was one of the things that he wanted to change from the original.
Never noticed that. he doesnt ever mention anything about the tome, or the shield for that matter.
Hey! I like Felldoh too! He is one of my favorite squirrels!
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
We don't know if he died in or outside of Redwall. The books don't really make it clear.
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on March 30, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: GeminyaTome on July 30, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
Did Brian EVER say exactly how Martin died? I know that Martin died outside of Redwall, but is it still a mystery?
We don't know if he died in or outside of Redwall. The books don't really make it clear.
Personally, I don't think Jacques was done with Martin the Warrior, hence why we had a lead to a secret quest from the journals to Doomwyte and no concrete "he died because of this" statement. I mean really, you would think from all the recordings in Redwall they would have written down Martin's cause of death somewhere... it's just interesting.
I think he did die from natural causes within Redwall; however, after he had one last ever wonderful, ever silenced adventure. ;)
But then again, Jacques doesn't talk about Matthias' death, or even Mattimeo's for that matter... perhaps he just chooses not to discuss this in his works.
I know it is not officially a Redwall book, but the fanfic "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought says he died of a broken heart. I know it is a fanfic, but it does seem possible.
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Quote from: danflorreguba on March 29, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I was so mad when Rose died! >:(
I'm gonna get yelled at a lot for saying this, but...
I didn't really care about Rose. Or her death.
I was sad when Felldoh died.
Rose wasn't'tmy favorite character, but it was rather sad when she died.
old age probably.
This is something that somebody should wright a Fanfict about!
There probably is one, somewhere.
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
Can you post a Link to it? I tried to search for it in the search engine, but it brought up no results.
I sent it to you in a pm
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, read "The Sword and His Flowers" by Free Thought. It is not entirely about that, but it has a part about Martin's death at the end.
I've got to read it.
It's a really neat story
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 23, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
It's a really neat story
Yes, its great!
WARNING: if you deside to read it, be warned! Its has some pretty mature content in it, just to say.
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 24, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
I know, just giving you guys a head start on it.
Quote from: Free Thought on April 01, 2013, 02:18:04 AMPersonally, I don't think Jacques was done with Martin the Warrior, hence why we had a lead to a secret quest from the journals to Doomwyte and no concrete "he died because of this" statement. I mean really, you would think from all the recordings in Redwall they would have written down Martin's cause of death somewhere... it's just interesting.
I think he did die from natural causes within Redwall; however, after he had one last ever wonderful, ever silenced adventure. ;)
But then again, Jacques doesn't talk about Matthias' death, or even Mattimeo's for that matter... perhaps he just chooses not to discuss this in his works.
Ah think Brian Jacques left zome zingz az myzteriez zae ve could enjoy vonderin' aboot zem.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 24, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Yes, but it has warnings in the chapters with rated M content.
Okay, I'll take notice of that.
I probably won't read it. If it has bad ratings.
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
I probably won't read it. If it has bad ratings.
What do you mean by Bad Ratings? You mean, based on how much people liked it? If that's the case, don't worry! I've seen the reviews for the book, and they were really positive!
I mean mature ratings, not the kind of thing I'd read.
I normally wouldn't either, but it has warnings so I can skip the mature parts. Other then that, it was a great tale! But I understand what you mean, Mask.
Definitely old age.
Old age has always been the answer in my mind. It also says in Redwall that he died as a mouse of peace. Yes, that book had a lot of things in it that might have been desired to be changed, but it's an actual answer.
I believe he died of old age because in the book Mariel of Redwall that he had passed away before any of the characters could meet him.
And apparently forgot about the sword on the roof and writing behind the tapestry as well.
They said martin put up his sword at one point...
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on November 17, 2014, 12:02:19 AM
I believe he died of old age because in the book Mariel of Redwall that he had passed away before any of the characters could meet him.
And apparently forgot about the sword on the roof and writing behind the tapestry as well.
He did probably die of old age, because he needed to do all those things. We know he still had his sword in Legend of Luke, so we know he probably did it when he was a little older.
I think Martin the Warrior must have died of disease, old age, or poisoning. I don't think Martin would have died in battle because for one thing, he did not care if he died. After all, if he died, he would get to meet Rose in The Dark Forest. During Mossflower, he had the whole of Mossflower to live for, but after Tsarmina died and his adevnturing days were long past, he had pretty much nothing to do but wait to pass on to The Dark Forest so he can finally be with Rose. Just my two cents.
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