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Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« on: May 05, 2014, 07:53:46 AM »

Vulpuz was mentioned in the Taggerung as the Lord of Hellgates. It was also mentioned that foxes were the only vermin who were related with him. It got me wondering, Who is he? Is he a fox or a wolf? Is he alive or is he dead? Looking forward to your discussion sahs!
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 10:52:05 AM »

It is a play on the Latin word Vulpes which means fox so yes, he is a fox. Also he is not necessarily real as there is no confirmed afterlife in Redwall other than the Dark Forest
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 03:18:32 AM »

True, but It's quite possible that Hell Gates and The Dark Forest are the same. A badger Lord, Sunflash I believe, went to Hellgates but was stopped by Lord Brocktree and some other famous Badgers.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 04:45:34 AM »

I'm pretty sure that he went to the dark forest . I think that hell gates is where vermin go, and the dark forest is where goodies go.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2014, 09:06:07 PM »

Dark Forest Gates...
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 12:59:43 PM »

Yeah, I think it said that Vulpuz was a fox in the book.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 02:31:13 PM »

I don't actually remember him, which book(s) was he mentioned in?
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2014, 08:02:03 PM »

Taggerung I think
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 02:07:28 AM »

This is the closest anybody gets to referencing religion in Redwall- I find this concept fascinating.  From the line, it appears that Vulpuz is the "Satan" of the Redwall world (and was perhaps whom Cluny was referring to whenever he invoked the devil- he would be the first to not admit that this devil was a fox).  It is also in fitting with the character of the foxes.  As for the Dark Forest, that seems to be most like Purgatory.  Which would imply that the sunny meadows mentioned in other passages would be Heaven, and would itself have a Lord...
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 07:57:04 AM »

@Russa,  Yes, it was Taggerung.

@Albrithir, There also has been said there is a 'spirit of the forest'
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 12:14:41 AM »

I'd just like to point out that the only character who mentions Vulpuz, Ermath, is a fox seer - and while there are certainly legitimate seers in the Redwall universe, that doesn't mean she wouldn't want to talk up her own species (and that of her boss Ruggan Bor). Therefore I never really took the "Vulpuz" myth all that seriously, especially considering it's never mentioned otherwise.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 02:50:27 AM »

Very interesting topic for sure.

I think he is one of Brian's one time character's. Martin the Warrior is mentioned throughout the series, Sunflash is mentioned throughout the series, Boar the fighter is mentioned etc.

Vulpuz though was a one time only thing. He is never mentioned ever again. I am thinking that He is something that Brian thought of specifically for that book and not used in any others.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 11:45:10 PM »

 That's true, but the main reason I find him so interesting is because it's basically the only direct reference to some sort of afterlife.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2014, 11:11:23 AM »

I agree with you.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2014, 09:15:23 PM »

In the first book it seems to be very religious, then after that it dwindles, its been awhile since I read the book who said something about Vulpuz?
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