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Author Topic: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates  (Read 2851 times)

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Re: Vulpuz
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2015, 09:00:23 PM »

Key phrase being "Pagan-like".

Worshiping a Devil is not Pagan-like. Perhaps you mean they perform Pagan-like rituals in their worship? Granted I don't know whether such rituals exist or what they might be, but it makes more sense than how I'm interpreting what you say.

I rather think Vulpuz is more like an ancestral spirit from some kind of tribal religion.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2015, 09:02:34 PM »

Exactly. Hence him only being mentioned once in the series.

All other vermin refer to a "Devil", but never to Vulpuz.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2015, 09:09:04 PM »

 Okay, paganism is the worship of any thing other than God. Worshiping a devil is pretty much the real-world example of paganism.

And by the way, I said "Pagan-LIKE". Similar. Relatable. I didn't say they worship Vulpuz, which is why I didn't say a definitive "pagan". Savvy? He may not be a devil, but he's the closest thing to one the series has.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2015, 10:38:21 PM »

 Okay, paganism is the worship of any thing other than God. Worshiping a devil is pretty much the real-world example of paganism.
No, that's the definition if you want to be disparaging or offensive.

A Pagan is a member of a religious, spiritual, or cultural community based on the worship of nature or the earth; a neopagan.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2015, 11:01:54 PM »

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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2015, 03:31:03 PM »

Same thoughts here. I saw your other thread, sah, quite a theory. The problem with Vulpuz being the Devil is that the Devil (satan), is opposite of God, but woodlanders don't have a God. That increases the chances of Vulpuz having once been "mortal".
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2015, 08:08:47 PM »

Aye.
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Re: Lord Vulpuz, Lord of Hellgates
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2017, 02:06:38 AM »

The Dark Forest and Hellgates had been referenced by many different characters in many different books.Both of these were places were talked about by vermin and good beasts of various affiliations and living in very different temporal frames. Earlier on in the series the only mention of any afterlife was the Dark Forest, and it seems both vermin and good beasts went there upon death.  This indicates some widespread and prolonged belief in these 2 afterlifes in the Redwall series. Later on, I think in Mariel of Redwall, the sea rats talk about Hellgates and it is referenced in later books. Neither of these places feature as heavily in later books.

Vulpuz however is mentioned only by one seer in one book. Which indicates that he is more so some kind of deity or mythical figure for the Juskabor than for all vermin. As he is not even mentioned by the Juskarath- meaning he is probably not even worshipped by all the Juska tries even...
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